From: L-Soft list server at St. John's University (1.8c) To: Ian Pitchford Subject: File: "SCI-CULT LOG9611" Date: Sunday, September 27, 1998 12:24 PM ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 04:44:22 -0500 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Robert Maxwell Young Subject: Journal announcement: _History of Psychology_ X-To: psa-public-sphere@sheffield.ac.uk JOURNAL ANNOUNCEMENT HISTORY OF PSYCHOLOGY, the new official journal of Division 26 (History of Psychology) of the American Psychological Association, is scheduled to begin publication in early 1998. The Division's Executive Committee is pleased to announce that Michael M. Sokal, Professor of History at the Worcester Polytechnic Institute, will serve as the founding editor for the new quarterly. With longstanding interests, work, and contacts in both the history and psychology communities, he will provide the experience, expertise and energy and necessary to launch this important new publication. Editorial Policy: The journal will serve as a forum for both psychologists and other interested scholars for the full range of current ideas and approaches pertaining to the relationship between history and psychology. It will primarily feature refereed scholarly articles dealing with specific issues, areas, and/or individuals in the history of psychology. It will also publish papers in related areas such as historical psychology (the history of consciousness and behavior), theory in psychology as it pertains to history, historiography, biographical and autobiographical analysis, psychohistory, and issues involved in teaching the history of psychology. Author Instructions: Because the journal expects submissions from both the psychology and history communities, authors may choose for their manuscript style either of two forms: (1) that specified in the "Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association" (4th edition); or (2) that of the University of Chicago Press's "A Manual of Style" (14th edition). If the latter style is chosen, reference lists should be eliminated or incorporated into endnotes. All manuscripts require an abstract of approximately 100 to 120 words typed on a separate sheet of paper at the beginning of the manuscript. In order to assure anonymous reviews, all author-identifying information should be excluded from the body of the text. Manuscripts must follow APA policies regarding language and ethics, as spelled out in the "Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association." Submit 4 copies of articles or direct inquiries to: Dr. Michael M. Sokal HISTORY OF PSYCHOLOGY Department of Humanities and Arts 100 Institute Road Worcester, MA 01609-2280 U.S.A. Telephone (508)831-5712 FAX (508)831-5932 or 5878 __________________________________________ Robert Maxwell Young: robert@rmy1.demon.co.uk 26 Freegrove Rd., London N7 9RQ, Eng. tel.+44 171 607 8306 fax.+44 171 609 4837 Professor of Psychotherapy and Psychoanalytic Studies, Centre for Psychotherapeutic Studies, University of Sheffield. Home page and writings: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/ US mirror site: http://rdz.stjohns.edu/human-nature/rmyoung/papers/index.html Process Press publications: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/process_press/index.html 'One must imagine Sisyphus happy.' - Camus ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 22:16:20 GMT Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Jacques Melot Subject: Re: "man", 'man', "woman", 'woman', "mankind", 'womankind' X-cc: jungsoul@vgernet.net >Jacques Melot wrote: [...] > >Cher Jacques, > >Il me semble que votre argument, ci-dessus, depart de l'hypothese que >l'evolution du langage predate la dissociation sexuelle de notre >espece. Je suppose que cette dissociation se reflete dans l'evolution >du langage, et que, celle-ci devrait etre reparee par un effort enorme >de generations plus conscientes et liberees par la Science. > > >Michelle Christides > >http://www.vgernet.net/jungsoul/index.html Chere Michelle, excusez cette reponse tardive: j'etais en voyage, sans possibilite de lire mon courrier-@. Il n'etait pas necessaire de me repondre en francais, mais c'est un geste de gentillesse que j'apprecie et qui m'a touche. Je vous en remercie. >Il me semble que votre argument, ci-dessus, depart de l'hypothese que >l'evolution du langage predate la dissociation sexuelle de notre >espece. Je suppose que cette dissociation se reflete dans l'evolution >du langage, [...] Je pense que c'est remonter beaucoup trop loin dans le temps. Puisque corporellement il y a toujours eu differenciation sexuelle claire, je suppose donc que par <> vous voulez dire differenciation dans la conscience ou differenciation sociale. Il est surement exact qu'a l'heure actuelle des phrases telles que <> or <>, etc., font references, pour tous ceux qui comprennent l'anglais, a un male humain. Le sens des mots evolue avec le temps et cette evolution reflete l'etat de la societe a chaque epoque. La societe occidentale changeant dans le sens de la disparition de la discrimination sexuelle, les mots du langage necessairement prendront de nouvelles connotations qui refleteront ce changement. Encore une fois je ne pense pas que changer les mots eux-memes soit une bonne chose. Cela me semble meme vain. Nous utilisons d'ailleurs sans cesse des mots qui ont perdu leur sens original et dont les connotations se sont modifiees considerablement et a plusieurs reprises au cours du temps. Souvent aussi les connotations actuelles contredisent le sens original du mot qui, de plus, peut etre encore parfaitement et immediatement comprehensible. Seulement les connotations l'emportent sur le sens original, au point qu'il faut faire un effort de pense conscient pour s'apercevoir de cette contradiction. Quoi qu'il en soit, puisque nous travaillons ici a la lumiere de la Science, je pense qu'il n'etait pas inutile d'examiner de maniere diachronique la signification du mot <>, en remontant aussi loin que possible dans le temps. Cela nous a montre que la question est moins simple qu'il ne paraissait a priori. >[...] et que, celle-ci devrait etre reparee par un effort enorme >de generations plus conscientes et liberees par la Science. La connaissance issue de la Science reste purement technique et, par nature, ne debouche jamais sur un progres ethique: la justesse morale d'un comportement ou d'une affirmation ne peut jamais etre etablie par l'experience scientifique. L'Humain transcende la Science et je place infiniment plus d'espoir dans l'homme modeste et inculte mais qui a des enfants et les aime que dans le prix Nobel celibataire et sans enfants. La surestimation de la science mene a tous les abus. En accordant la priorite a ce que l'on croit demontre par une experience scientifique, on arrive a justifier toutes les aberrations comme, par exemple, la superiorite d'une race sur d'autres, la predominance de l'inne sur l'acquis, l'injustice sociale a la suite de comparaisons avec le monde animal (combat pour la vie, agressivite normale), etc. Meilleures salutations, Jacques Melot, Reykjavik melot@itn.is ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 22:18:25 GMT Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Jacques Melot Subject: Re: "man", 'man', "woman", 'woman', "mankind", 'womankind' X-cc: Donato Ottolenghi Lundi 30 Sept. 1996 a 15:01:06 +0100, Donato Ottolenghi ecrit: >>Jacques Melot wrote: > >---- snip > >>> Jacques Melot, Reykjavik >>> melot@itn.is >> >>Cher Jacques, [...] >>Michelle Christides >> >Should be egg or chicken first? >Nevertheless, it seems to me a quite interesting subject: sex and language... >As a psychoanalytic view, vocal emission was for instance related to sexual >activity (see Groddeck, etc.). On the other hand, I guess what real meaning >to attribute to concepts or ideas... Here are phylosophical cues that I >cannot manage very well... >It's obvious when talking of "man" or "woman", but of abstract ideas? Is >"faith" a FEMININE concept? In what? Is "sun" a MALE object? Also in >neolatin languages you may find as feminine in German, and so? >I think that's all not simply a matter of political correctness (of course), >but also not only - as Michelle told - an ethical or social matter. >Could we start a discussion on this topic? > >Regards to all, >Donato Ottolenghi >Milano, Italia >aneb8@micronet.it A propos, et comme complement a mon intervention du vendredi 13 Sep 1996 a 18:59:00 GMT, je voudrais revenir sur un exemple donne dans ma premiere intervention: celui du mot francais <>, un mot feminin pour designer <>. Lorsqu'on utilise le mot <> et que dans la suite du discours on remplace <> par un pronom personnel, cela se fait toujours a l'aide du pronom personnel feminin <>, jamais a l'aide du pronom personnel masculin <> ou <>, et cela a toujours ete vrai: aussi bien maintenant qu'a l'epoque revolue de la domination masculine la plus impitoyable. Exemple: <> De plus, il est absolument impossible d'y remplacer ELLE par LUI, MEME si l'on sait que la personne est, en fait, un male: l'accord est purement et definitivement grammatical: le mot <> est sexuellement neutre et grammaticalement feminin. De plus, comme Donato Ottolenghi l'a evoque, on sait que meme a l'interieur du meme groupe de langues, par exemple dans les langues indo-europeennes, le genre d'un meme mot peut varier: en anglais <> est feminin, en francais <> est masculin; en allemand <> est feminin, en francais <> est masculin. Cela montre bien le caractere grammatical, non sexuel, du genre des mots dans les langues indo-europeennes. Si en anglais cela est moins manifeste, c'est sans doute parce que la grammaire de cette langue a perdu la plus grande partie de sa complexite originelle. Il y a encore un argument important contre toute demarche de modification autoritaire du langage: le langage est la propriete de tous, du plus favorise intellectuellement au moins favorise et une tentative de modification de l'usage courant basee sur une approche intellectuelle ne peut etre comprise de tous et risque donc de creuser encore un peu plus la fracture sociale. Il s'agit par consequent d'une pratique elitiste, peu democratique. Je reste donc persuade que la meilleure solution ne consiste pas a tenter de modifier le vocabulaire (eviter un <>) mais a agir sur les mentalites afin de parvenir a une modification permanente, definitive, en profondeur des comportements, plutot qu'a respecter des apparences. Un tel changement de mentalite s'accompagnera d'un changement de connotations sans qu'il soit necessaire de proceder a un changement de vocabulaire. A propos de traitement symptomatique, souvenons-nous qu'en psychanalyse la disparition du symptome n'est pas une preuve de guerison pas plus que sa persistance n'indique la persistance de la nevrose. Salutations amicales, Jacques Melot, Reykjavik melot@itn.is ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 22:26:27 GMT Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Jacques Melot Subject: MAN, WOMAN, WEREMAN Une solution possible au probleme <>, <> Si vraiment on se trouve gene par l'emploi des composes en <<-man>>, une <> respectant plus rigoureusement la verite historique et scientifique (etymologie, philologie) et tout simplement la logique serait de proposer de remettre devant le mot <> un prefixe indiquant le male lorsque l'on a en vue un humain male exclusivement; par exemple <> (ou meme, pourquoi pas, <>; cf. l'islandais <> dans <>=<>). Si l'on choisit le prefixe <>: -- <> (pl. <>) serait l'humain femelle (comme actuellement), -- <> (pl. <>) serait l'humain male et -- <> (pl. <>) serait employe comme a l'origine dans le sens de <> (cf. Oxford English Dictionary). Cette solution presente les avantages non negligeables suivants: -- 1. -- de conserver au mot <> un caractere neutre (AVANTAGE PHILOLOGIQUE), -- 2. -- ce qui permettrait de continuer a utiliser inchanges tous les mots en <<-man>>, lesquels sont assez nombreux (AVANTAGE ECONOMIQUE). Ce qui est ressenti comme genant est en fait l'identification man = wereman. En s'habituant a utiliser le mot <> a la place de <> pour les males, les connotations masculine du mot <> disparaitront rapidement et donc le probleme aussi. Plus besoin de surveiller en permanence son langage pour eviter d'employer des mots de forme tres differente construits avec ou derives de <> (AVANTAGE DE LA SIMPLICITE). -- 3. -- Enfin c'est LOGIQUE et EQUITABLE car dans le mot <> il y a <> et si l'on continue a voir dans <> le mot pour designer l'humain male, cela signifie alors que le mot pour designer l'humain femelle s'obtient a partir du nom du male -- l'element de base! -- par ajout d'un prefixe (<>) et par consequent n'est pas un mot independant. Encore et toujours la femme a une position secondaire, etant definie comme une sorte de <> atypique! Je livre cette solution possible a votre sagacite, Jacques Melot, Reykjavik melot@itn.is ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 11:21:42 +0100 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Arie Dirkzwager Subject: Re: MAN, WOMAN, WEREMAN At 22:26 5-11-96 GMT, Jacques Melot wrote: >Une solution possible au probleme <>, <> >Si l'on choisit le prefixe <>: >-- <> (pl. <>) serait l'humain femelle (comme actuellement), >-- <> (pl. <>) serait l'humain male et >-- <> (pl. <>) serait employe comme a l'origine dans le sens de ><> (cf. Oxford English >Dictionary). > >Cette solution presente les avantages non negligeables Where does "WERE" come from? From "we are (man)"? If so are "we" all male?;-) Arie ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 11:31:21 +0000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: C A Wardell Subject: Re: MAN, WOMAN, WEREMAN In-Reply-To: <199611061049.KAA13014@listserv.rl.ac.uk> On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, Arie Dirkzwager wrote: > At 22:26 5-11-96 GMT, Jacques Melot wrote: > >Une solution possible au probleme <>, <> > > >Si l'on choisit le prefixe <>: > >-- <> (pl. <>) serait l'humain femelle (comme actuellement), > >-- <> (pl. <>) serait l'humain male et > >-- <> (pl. <>) serait employe comme a l'origine dans le sens de > ><> (cf. Oxford English > >Dictionary). > > > >Cette solution presente les avantages non negligeables > > Where does "WERE" come from? From "we are (man)"? If so are "we" all > male?;-) > > Arie Yes, I was somewhat perplexed by Jacques' choice of the prefix "were". The word "werewolf" immediately springs to mind - is this where the idea came from? If so I'd be interested to know the connection.... Claire Wardell Science Studies Centre Bath University ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 08:15:46 -0500 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Paul Gallagher Subject: Re: MAN, WOMAN, WEREMAN In-Reply-To: <199611061134.GAA11434@mail2.panix.com> from "C A Wardell" at Nov 6, 96 11:31:21 am > > Yes, I was somewhat perplexed by Jacques' choice of the prefix "were". > The word "werewolf" immediately springs to mind - is this where the idea > came from? If so I'd be interested to know the connection.... > Merriam-Webster's dictionary gives wer as Old English and Old High German for man. The analogy is with wifman, which means woman. Wif (the i is long) is OE for wife, man is OE for human. Paul ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 15:08:44 +0100 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Hobson Sherren Subject: where WERE wo? For those who missed it, Jacques wrote the following on Fri 13th Sept (still available using the "get science-as-culture log9609" command to the server): > En islandais, langue germanique proche du vieil anglo-saxon, le mot pour > "man" est GRAMMATICALEMENT MASCULIN, mais s'applique aux etres humains > males et femelles indistinctement. Il est donc SEXUELLEMENT NEUTRE. "Man" > se dit "madhr" (acc. "mann", dat. "manni", genit. "manns", nomin. plur. > "menn", etc.), "humain male" se dit "karlmadhr" et "humain femelle" se dit > "kvenmadhr" (cf. le suedois "kvinna" (= woman), le norvegien "kvinne" (= > id.), l'anglais "queen", le francais "gouine" (= lesbian), le grec "gyne" > (= woman)). > > En anglais le "man" femelle est "wifmann" (ou "wimman", etc.; cf. "wife"), > devenu "woman" en anglais moderne. Le "man" male est "wer-" ou "waepman" > (et variantes) en vieil anglais, devenu, par ellipse, simplement "man" dans > l'anglais moderne courant. La vieille racine indo-europeenne donnant > "wer-", se retrouve en latin dans "vir", homme male, d'ou le francais > "virago" (femme masculine), en anglais moderne dans "werewolf" (allemand > "Werwolf", isl. "varulfr" ou "verulfr", c'est-a-dire "homme-loup", d'ou le > francais "garou">garwalf>*wariwulf) et dans "world" (isl. "veroeld", > neerlandais "wereld"), etc. Merci bien, Jacques, mais qu'est'ce que c'est, "l'homme modeste"...?! = La personne?! > L'Humain transcende la Science et je place > infiniment plus d'espoir dans l'homme modeste et inculte mais qui a des > enfants et les aime que dans le prix Nobel celibataire et sans enfants. (D'accord ...) Sherren ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 09:54:29 EST Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: GATLIN@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU Subject: Re: where WERE wo? In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 6 Nov 1996 15:08:44 +0100 from What?! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 02:35:02 +0100 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Donato Ottolenghi Subject: Re: where WERE wo? At 09.54 06/11/96 EST, you wrote: >What?! > > W, W, W, W, W... Are we studying a crime?... :-) Donato Ottolenghi Milano, Italia aneb8@micronet.it ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 12:30:38 +0200 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Shmuel Almog Subject: Re: where WERE wo? At 15:08 11/6/96 +0100, you wrote: >For those who missed it, Jacques wrote the following on Fri 13th Sept >(still available using the "get science-as-culture log9609" command to >the server): > >> En islandais, langue germanique proche du vieil anglo-saxon, le mot pour >> "man" est GRAMMATICALEMENT MASCULIN, mais s'applique aux etres humains >> males et femelles indistinctement. Il est donc SEXUELLEMENT NEUTRE. "Man" >> se dit "madhr" (acc. "mann", dat. "manni", genit. "manns", nomin. plur. >> "menn", etc.), "humain male" se dit "karlmadhr" et "humain femelle" se dit >> "kvenmadhr" (cf. le suedois "kvinna" (= woman), le norvegien "kvinne" (= >> id.), l'anglais "queen", le francais "gouine" (= lesbian), le grec "gyne" >> (= woman)). > >> >> En anglais le "man" femelle est "wifmann" (ou "wimman", etc.; cf. "wife"), >> devenu "woman" en anglais moderne. Le "man" male est "wer-" ou "waepman" >> (et variantes) en vieil anglais, devenu, par ellipse, simplement "man" dans >> l'anglais moderne courant. La vieille racine indo-europeenne donnant >> "wer-", se retrouve en latin dans "vir", homme male, d'ou le francais >> "virago" (femme masculine), en anglais moderne dans "werewolf" (allemand >> "Werwolf", isl. "varulfr" ou "verulfr", c'est-a-dire "homme-loup", d'ou le >> francais "garou">garwalf>*wariwulf) et dans "world" (isl. "veroeld", >> neerlandais "wereld"), etc. > > >Merci bien, Jacques, mais qu'est'ce que c'est, "l'homme modeste"...?! >= La personne?! > >> L'Humain transcende la Science et je place >> infiniment plus d'espoir dans l'homme modeste et inculte mais qui a des >> enfants et les aime que dans le prix Nobel celibataire et sans enfants. > >(D'accord ...) > >Sherren > >Hi, Le debat sur les racines du mot "man" en anglais est veritablement fascinant et je voudrais remercier tous ceux qui y participaient. Cependant il me faut ajouter un petit mot sur l'epilogue traitant du soi-disant"humain" versus "la science". Cette espece de juxtaposition est, en mon sens, tout-a-fait artificielle. Pourquoi faut-il decrire le prix Nobel comme celibataire [apparemment non-humain] tandis qu'aux antipodes on trouve l'ideal d'un pere devoue, donc plus humain que l'homme de science? C'est un primitivisme perime et anti-intellectuel, qui me fait peur( un peu,au moins). Shmuel Almog Prof.S.Almog The Institute of Contemporary Jewry The Hebrew University,Jerusalem ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:08:52 GMT Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Jacques Melot Subject: Re: where WERE wo? X-cc: msalmog@PLUTO.MSCC.HUJI.AC.IL >At 15:08 11/6/96 +0100, you wrote: >>For those who missed it, Jacques wrote the following on Fri 13th Sept >>(still available using the "get science-as-culture log9609" command to >>the server): >> >>> En islandais, langue germanique proche du vieil anglo-saxon, le mot pour >>> "man" est GRAMMATICALEMENT MASCULIN, mais s'applique aux etres humains >>> males et femelles indistinctement. Il est donc SEXUELLEMENT NEUTRE. "Man" >>> se dit "madhr" (acc. "mann", dat. "manni", genit. "manns", nomin. plur. >>> "menn", etc.), "humain male" se dit "karlmadhr" et "humain femelle" se dit >>> "kvenmadhr" (cf. le suedois "kvinna" (= woman), le norvegien "kvinne" (= >>> id.), l'anglais "queen", le francais "gouine" (= lesbian), le grec "gyne" >>> (= woman)). >> >>> >>> En anglais le "man" femelle est "wifmann" (ou "wimman", etc.; cf. "wife"), >>> devenu "woman" en anglais moderne. Le "man" male est "wer-" ou "waepman" >>> (et variantes) en vieil anglais, devenu, par ellipse, simplement "man" dans >>> l'anglais moderne courant. La vieille racine indo-europeenne donnant >>> "wer-", se retrouve en latin dans "vir", homme male, d'ou le francais >>> "virago" (femme masculine), en anglais moderne dans "werewolf" (allemand >>> "Werwolf", isl. "varulfr" ou "verulfr", c'est-a-dire "homme-loup", d'ou le >>> francais "garou">garwalf>*wariwulf) et dans "world" (isl. "veroeld", >>> neerlandais "wereld"), etc. >> [...] > >Le debat sur les racines du mot "man" en anglais est veritablement fascinant >et je voudrais remercier tous ceux qui y participaient. Cependant il me faut >ajouter un petit mot sur l'epilogue traitant du soi-disant"humain" versus >"la science". Cette espece de >juxtaposition est, en mon sens, tout-a-fait artificielle. Pourquoi faut-il >decrire le prix Nobel comme celibataire [apparemment non-humain] tandis >qu'aux antipodes on trouve l'ideal d'un pere devoue, donc plus humain que >l'homme de science? C'est un primitivisme perime et anti-intellectuel, qui >me fait peur( un peu,au moins). Cher Shmuel, soit! j'aurais du m'y prendre autrement. Il s'agissait plus d'une maniere un peu... emotive de denoncer quelque chose qui m'inquiete. D'autre part vous prenez mon texte trop au pied de la lettre. Je n'ai pas du tout eu l'intention de me limiter au pere mais -- je prends d'autres mots -- a <>; le <> n'est pas non plus regarde par moi comme systematiquement non humain. Pour en revenir au probleme pose par le mot <> et ses derives, il serait interessant que vous nous donniez des informations sur ce qui se passe en hebreu! Avez-vous egalement un probleme de langage sexiste; si oui, comment le probleme est-il resolu? sinon pourquoi n'y a-t-il pas de probleme? Salutations distinguees, Jacques Melot, Reykjavik melot@itn.is ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:14:04 GMT Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Jacques Melot Subject: Re: where WERE wo? X-cc: hobson@SESAM.IT >For those who missed it, Jacques wrote the following on Fri 13th Sept >(still available using the "get science-as-culture log9609" command to >the server): > >> En islandais, langue germanique proche du vieil anglo-saxon, le mot pour >> "man" est GRAMMATICALEMENT MASCULIN, mais s'applique aux etres humains >> males et femelles indistinctement. Il est donc SEXUELLEMENT NEUTRE. "Man" >> se dit "madhr" (acc. "mann", dat. "manni", genit. "manns", nomin. plur. >> "menn", etc.), "humain male" se dit "karlmadhr" et "humain femelle" se dit >> "kvenmadhr" (cf. le suedois "kvinna" (= woman), le norvegien "kvinne" (= >> id.), l'anglais "queen", le francais "gouine" (= lesbian), le grec "gyne" >> (= woman)). > >> >> En anglais le "man" femelle est "wifmann" (ou "wimman", etc.; cf. "wife"), >> devenu "woman" en anglais moderne. Le "man" male est "wer-" ou "waepman" >> (et variantes) en vieil anglais, devenu, par ellipse, simplement "man" dans >> l'anglais moderne courant. La vieille racine indo-europeenne donnant >> "wer-", se retrouve en latin dans "vir", homme male, d'ou le francais >> "virago" (femme masculine), en anglais moderne dans "werewolf" (allemand >> "Werwolf", isl. "varulfr" ou "verulfr", c'est-a-dire "homme-loup", d'ou le >> francais "garou">garwalf>*wariwulf) et dans "world" (isl. "veroeld", >> neerlandais "wereld"), etc. > > >Merci bien, Jacques, mais qu'est'ce que c'est, "l'homme modeste"...?! >= La personne?! oui, bien sur. Jacques >> L'Humain transcende la Science et je place >> infiniment plus d'espoir dans l'homme modeste et inculte mais qui a des >> enfants et les aime que dans le prix Nobel celibataire et sans enfants. > >(D'accord ...) > >Sherren ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:26:44 GMT Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Jacques Melot Subject: Re: where WERE wo? X-cc: msalmog@PLUTO.MSCC.HUJI.AC.IL Cher Shmuel, en guise de PS, voici rappele le message de bienvenue dans le forum =ABScience-as-culture=BB: Welcome to sci-cult - Science as Culture. [...] The sci-cult mailing list for discussions of all aspects of science, technology, [...] wherever knowledge and special skills can confer power = or HEGEMONY. Certains y pensent, moi aussi, et, je crois, ... vous aussi. Jacques Melot, Reykjavik melot@itn.is ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 23:19:38 -0500 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Norman Levitt Subject: [njlevitt@haven.ios.com: Forwarded mail....] X-To: scishops@listserv.ncsu.edu, fastnet@igc.apc.org SCIENCE AND ITS CRITICS A meeting to promote dialogue between the "two cultures" University of Kansas Kansas Union Building, Big 12 Room February 28-March 1, 1997 February 28, 1997: Friday evening registration and keynote address March 1, 1997: Meeting The "science wars" between scientists, their defenders and their critics have recently generated much heat but little light. This meeting is intended to explore some of the issues surrounding science and its critics in a non-confrontational, interdisciplinary atmosphere. We would like to construct a program of short talks and longer panel discussions. We are seeking balanced representation from a wide variety of disciplines and speakers who are willing to use language that is widely accessible. Possible topics for exploration: The scientific method: How is it really practiced? Does it yield "the truth"? Science and religion: Are they ever incompatible? Science and postmodernism: If it is postmodern, can it be science? Science and politics: Is science mainly a tool for white males to retain power? Science and education: Are we a nation of scientific illiterates? Does it matter? Your topic: Are there other related topics we should explore? Our keynote speaker will be Professor Alan D. Sokal, New York University, who sparked a major battle in the "science wars"; last summer with his publication of "Toward a Transformative Hermeneutics of Quantum Gravity"; in the cultural studies journal "Social Text". If these issues interest you, please come and take part in the dialogue. For registration information visit our Web site: http://kuhep4.phsx.ukans.edu/~baringer/scicrit.html or contact: John Pattinson, The University of Kansas, Division of Continuing Education, Academic and Professional Programs, Continuing Education Building, Lawrence, Kansas 66045-2607 (913) 864-3284. Registration and requests for speaking time are due by December 13, 1996. To help cover our costs it is necessary to charge a registration fee of $25 for faculty and $10 for students. ______________________________________________________________________________ `Open the pod bay doors, Hal.' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adrian L. Melott melott@kusmos.phsx.ukans.edu Department of Physics and Astronomy phone: 913-864-3037 University of Kansas fax: 913-864-5262 Lawrence Kansas 66045 U.S.A. http://kusmos.phsx.ukans.edu/~melott/Melott.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:48:39 +0100 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Arie Dirkzwager Subject: Re: [njlevitt@haven.ios.com: Forwarded mail....] At 23:19 13-11-96 -0500, you wrote: > SCIENCE AND ITS CRITICS > A meeting to promote dialogue between the "two cultures" > University of Kansas > Kansas Union Building, Big 12 Room > February 28-March 1, 1997 >Possible topics for exploration: >The scientific method: How is it really practiced? Does it yield "the > truth"? >Science and religion: Are they ever incompatible? >Science and postmodernism: If it is postmodern, can it be science? >Science and politics: Is science mainly a tool for white males to retain power? >Science and education: Are we a nation of scientific illiterates? > Does it matter? >Your topic: Are there other related topics we should explore? > >Our keynote speaker will be Professor Alan D. Sokal, New York >University, who sparked a major battle in the "science wars"; last >summer with his publication of "Toward a Transformative Hermeneutics of >Quantum Gravity"; in the cultural studies journal "Social Text". > >If these issues interest you, please come and take part in the dialogue. Would love to, but can't be present (unless invited and travel expenses payed for ;-). Those issues interest me highly and I'm looking forward to having them discussed by e-mail. I'd gladly contribute my share from a philosophical background in biblical tradition (I'm NOT a fundamentalist or anti-evolutionist) Arie Prof.Dr.A.Dirkzwager, Educational Instrumentation Technology, Computers in Education. Huizerweg 62, 1402 AE Bussum, The Netherlands. voice: x31-35-6933258 FAX: x31-35-6930762 E-mail: aried@xs4all.nl {========================================================================} When reading the works of an important thinker, look first for the apparent absurdities in the text and ask yourself how a sensible person could have written them." T. S. Kuhn, The Essential Tension (1977). =========================================================================== Accept that some days you are the statue, and some days you are the bird. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:48:14 +0100 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Olivier Joseph Subject: Re: where WERE wo? >>> L'Humain transcende la Science et je place >>> infiniment plus d'espoir dans l'homme modeste et inculte mais qui a des >>> enfants et les aime que dans le prix Nobel celibataire et sans enfants. ... et qui se fait le promoteur de programmes de fecondations in-vitro de spermes venant de donneurs aux Q.I. superieurs ... Ravi "d'entendre" causer francais ! Olivier Beau temps a Reykjavik ? Comment vont nos amis les volcans sous-glaciaires ? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:16:22 -0500 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Gilbert Kirouac Subject: Re: where WERE wo? At 18:48 14/11/96 +0100, you wrote: >>>> L'Humain transcende la Science et je place >>>> infiniment plus d'espoir dans l'homme modeste et inculte mais qui a des >>>> enfants et les aime que dans le prix Nobel celibataire et sans enfants. > >. >Ravi "d'entendre" causer francais ! > >Olivier > >Beau temps a Reykjavik ? Comment vont nos amis les volcans sous-glaciaires= ? > > Doublement ravi : bravo pour " l'homme modeste et inculte ", l'on retrouve l'accent des premi=E8res bagarres de Sartre contre les biens-pensants ; et bravo pour le propos en fran=E7ais : plusieurs vont suivre. Gilbert K. (du grand nord) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 19:36:17 GMT Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Jacques Melot Subject: Re: where WERE wo? >>>> L'Humain transcende la Science et je place >>>> infiniment plus d'espoir dans l'homme modeste et inculte mais qui a = des >>>> enfants et les aime que dans le prix Nobel celibataire et sans enfan= ts. > >... et qui se fait le promoteur de programmes de fecondations in-vitro d= e >spermes venant de donneurs aux Q.I. superieurs ... > >Ravi "d'entendre" causer francais ! Cher Olivier, cela ne tient qu'a nous! CQFD Culture rime avec pluralite. > >Olivier > >Beau temps a Reykjavik ? Comment vont nos amis les volcans sous-glaciair= es ? Ici il pleut et fait approximativement 4-7=B0C. La retenue sous-glacaire = a fini par ceder: 1-3 millions de tonnes de boue et de <> ont devales vers la mer en a peine vingt-quatre heures. L'affaire est close (aux impots exceptionnels pr=E8s!). Meilleures salutations, Jacques Melot, Reykjavik melot@itn.is ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 08:07:36 -0500 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Robert Maxwell Young Subject: Towards a marxist theory of the sciences I have for some decades been involved with others in the Radical Science Journal collective, the editors of _Science as Culture_ and in other contexts, in trying to create a libertarian Marxist theory of science. It grew from work in the history and philosophy of science (especially the human science and evolutionary theory) and began with ideas about science and ideology, moved on to ideas of mediation between base and superstructure and then to a labour process perspective. This work has been published in various contexts, much of it in _Radical Science Journal_ and _Science as Culture_. The existence of internnet web sites has allowed me to bring together my own writings in the hope that they will be treated as an evolving body of theory. I would be very glad if members of this forum would find these writings helpful and if they would discuss and constructively criticise them. At the web site: http://www.shef.ac.uk/uni/academic/N-Q/psysc/staff/rmyoung/papers/index.html Evolutionary Biology and Ideology: Then and Now Darwinism and the Division of Labour The Anthropology of Science The Human Limits of Nature The Historiographic and Ideological Contexts of the Nineteenth-Century Debate on Man's Place in Nature (ch. 6 of _Darwin's Metaphor_) Braverman's _Labour and Monopoly Capital_ Science _is_ Social Relations Why Are Figures so Significant? The Role and the Critique of Quantification Science Is a Labour Process How Societies Constitute their Knowledge: Prolegomena to a Labour Process Perspective Interpreting the Production of Science The Naturalization of Value Systems in the Human Sciences Science on TV: a Critique (with Carl Gardner) Is Nature a Labour Process? Racist Society, Racist Science Darwin, Marx, Freud and the Foundations of the Human Sciences Second Nature: The Historicity of the Unconscious Scientism in the History of Management Theory Science, Ideology and Donna Haraway Psychotic Anxieties and the Fading Hopes of the Left What Scientists Have to Learn We Are All Inescapably Social Darwinists A Place for Critique in the Mass Media Reductionism and Overdetermination in the Explanation of Human Nature Evolution, Biology and Psychology A number of other essays and reviews will be added when I can get them scanned in, including What if Human Nature is Historical? Science, Texhnology, Medicine and the Socialist Movement (collective authorship) Darwinism _is_ Social Getting Started on Lysenkoism The Relevance of Bernal's Questions Exhibiting Nuclear Power: The Science Museum Cover-up (with Les Levidow) Marxism and the History of Science Science, Alienation and Oppression __________________________________________ Robert Maxwell Young: robert@rmy1.demon.co.uk 26 Freegrove Rd., London N7 9RQ, Eng. tel.+44 171 607 8306 fax.+44 171 609 4837 Professor of Psychotherapy and Psychoanalytic Studies, Centre for Psychotherapeutic Studies, University of Sheffield. Home page and writings: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/ US mirror site: http://rdz.stjohns.edu/human-nature/rmyoung/papers/index.html Process Press publications: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/process_press/index.html 'One must imagine Sisyphus happy.' - Camus ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 16:53:11 +0100 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Arie Dirkzwager Subject: Re: Towards a marxist theory of the sciences At 08:07 16-11-96 -0500, Robert Maxwell Young wrote: An impressive ;-) list of articles, but looks like a commercial oratio pro domo. In such case a refrence to a well organised web-page should suffice. Arie ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 09:26:34 +0200 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Shmuel Almog Subject: Re: where WERE wo? At 17:26 11/13/96 GMT, you wrote: >Cher Shmuel, > >en guise de PS, voici rappele le message de bienvenue dans le forum >=ABScience-as-culture=BB: > >Welcome to sci-cult - Science as Culture. >[...] >The sci-cult mailing list for discussions of all aspects of science, >technology, [...] wherever knowledge and special skills can confer power or >HEGEMONY. > >Certains y pensent, moi aussi, et, je crois, ... vous aussi. > >Jacques Melot, Reykjavik >melot@itn.is > >Cher Jacques, =20 Merci pour votre reponse amicale. Je dois avouer que je n'avais pas assez reflechi, si la question que vous avez si profondement touchee quant aux langues europennes s'applique de la meme facon aux langues semitiques. A vrai dire, le langage "politically correct" est universel et a juste titre,bien que l'hebreu ait une structure differente.Ici le masculin domine, ou possede l'hegemonie, malgre tout. Par exemple, qu'il y aurait un seul homme et cent femmes ,il faut toujours employer le genre masculin pour le pluriel. C'est toujours la regle, puisque on ne peut pas eviter la distinction sexiste ,si vous voulez ,dans la grammaire. Ou plutot, c'est plus difficile qu'ailleurs,a cause de la structure grammaticale. amicalement,=20 Shmuel=20 Prof.S.Almog=09 The Institute of Contemporary Jewry The Hebrew University,Jerusalem =20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 12:05:12 -0700 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Aviation Conference Subject: Updated Call for Papers ********************************************* * Updated Notice * ********************************************* * * * Complete info may be found at: * * http://www.pr.erau.edu/~huss/conference * * * ********************************************* CALL FOR PAPERS AVIATION COMMUNICATION: A MULTI-CULTURAL FORUM 1997 ANNUAL SYMPOSIUM APRIL 9 - 11, 1997 EMBRY-RIDDLE AERONAUTICAL UNIVERSITY, PRESCOTT, AZ Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University's language institute and the Humanities and Social Science department, with the Center for Aerospace Safety Education invites all interested parties to participate in an aviation communications conference: "Aviation Communications: a Multi-Cultural Forum." This conference is intended to be a vehicle for ideas and information to be exchanged concerning all aspects of communications including linguistics, culture, gender, race, class, and globalization. It is not required that your research be in aviation. It is only necessary that your work is transferable to aviation situations in cockpits, between cockpit and tower, maintenance operations, human-machine interface, etc. Optimal communication is often problematic because of gender, racial, cultural, linguistic, economic, political, etc. assumptions hidden behind standard procedures. Please note that this conference will be an outstanding opportunity for industry, government, and other funding sources to make direct contact with researchers. Some suggested areas: Human Factors Language Studies Barriers to Communications Communication Studies Intercultural Communications English as a Second Language Technology and Culture Studies Science and Technology Studies Risk and Technology Politics of Technical Decisions Cybernetic Communication Political Psychology of Communication Language/communication models of terrorism,intelligence,organized crime,foreign policy, and security Globalization of language/communication ***There may be other areas which are applicable; the above are only suggestions. If received before March 7, 1997, conference registration fee is $50 for academic participants and $150 for industry participants. (Regisitration fees received after Mar. 7, will be $100 and $200 for academic and industry attendees, respectively.) The registration fee will cover banquet dinner, lunches, and refreshments; as well as a copy of the published proceedings. We believe that these organizations would benefit from this gathering: national airlines communication industries international airlines all branches of armed services international safety agencies language related organizations regulatory agencies academic institutions science/technology and societies human factors and societies If you wish to present a paper or propose a panel for this conference, please submitt the following information by January 9, 1997: - presenter's name, title of paper, organization, position, address - abstracts (200 words) - brief resume mail or fax to: Department of Humanities and Social Sciences Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University 3200 Willow Creek Road Prescott, AZ 86301-3720 e-mail contacts: quigley@pr.erau.edu bloomr@pr.erau.edu lucenaj@pr.erau.edu also visit our home page for complete information and web site reservation possibilities at: http://www.pr.erau.edu/~huss/conference/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 03:02:06 -0500 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Robert Maxwell Young Subject: writings of Robert M. Young on the www I have recently put on my web site the texts of three books: _Mental Space_ (corrected from 1994 edition) _Whatever Happened to Human Nature?_ (1995) _The Culture of British Psychoanalysis and Related essays on Character and Morality and The Psychodynamics of Psychoanalytic Organizations_ (1996). There are over sixty essays, as well, and others are being added as they are scanned in. Comments very welcome __________________________________________ Robert Maxwell Young: robert@rmy1.demon.co.uk 26 Freegrove Rd., London N7 9RQ, Eng. tel.+44 171 607 8306 fax.+44 171 609 4837 Professor of Psychotherapy and Psychoanalytic Studies, Centre for Psychotherapeutic Studies, University of Sheffield. Home page and writings: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/ US mirror site: http://rdz.stjohns.edu/human-nature/rmyoung/papers/index.html Process Press publications: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/process_press/index.html 'One must imagine Sisyphus happy.' - Camus ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 18:02:30 +0000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Comments: Authenticated sender is From: poretti giovanni unscribe giovanni poretti ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 21:01:16 -0500 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: "Rooney,John Peter" please don't send this to the general population >---------- >From: poretti giovanni[SMTP:poretti@IQSNET.IT] >Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 1996 1:02PM >To: Multiple recipients of list SCIENCE-AS-CULTURE > >unscribe giovanni poretti >