From: L-Soft list server at St. John's University (1.8c) To: Ian Pitchford Subject: File: "SCI-CULT LOG9604" Date: Sunday, September 27, 1998 12:24 PM ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 10:00:06 BST Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: List Subscriber Subject: Cuba contacts I am about to begin some new comparative research, working in Africa and Cuba, and focusing on early schooling systems. I am hoping to make contact with anyone who lives in Cuba, has lived in Cuba or worked in Cuba, or who is interested in Cuba. My e-mail address is c.liddell@ac.uk.ulster, and I'm based at the Department of Psychology in the University of Ulster in Ireland. I've worked in Southern Africa for about 15 years, mainly in the areas of early education and environmental predictors of success in formal schooling. Christine Liddell. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 09:27:48 -0500 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: "John P. Rooney" Subject: Re: SAC hypothesis vs. theory April 3 1996 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Warren Neal had written: ... I would be interested to hear exactly what people take to be the difference between "hypothesis" and "theory." I suppose I've been operating on the notion that a hypothesis ascends to the level of theory when repeated attempts to refute it have been unsuccessful, but that seems awfully vague.... *** and Karen Mercedes replied: According to Webster's "hypothesis" is synonymous with "theory". Webster also bandies about the words "speculation" and "conjecture" in relation to both. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Karen M. weaselled out with Webster by using the narrow definition of hypothesis = theory. The development of a scientific theory can be described by using the work of the German philosopher, Georg Wilhelm Hegel (1770-1831) who proposed: Thesis ANTI-thesis Synthesis In a class, I would pronounce antithesis with a large emphasis on the ANTI. Hegel's synthesis is the hypothesis, which is a beginning theory to explain the physical phenomena being examined. After repeating the thesis-antithesis-synthesis steps, a reasonable hypothesis can be determined, which many will accept as a good theory. Then, along will come an Einstein to revise and expand a Newton's theories. But, this was not the original discussion: the original discussion revolved around the fact and theory of evolution. A neutral examination of Darwin's theories will show that there are a lot of holes in it. If evolution works, why do some species not evolve? For example, why is the ginko tree, the "fossil tree" of China, still in a relatively un-evolved state. Or why is the ancient un-evolved coelcanth still swimming, unchanged after eons, around the coast of Africa? The fossil record is remarkably incomplete, and too much is left to the faith of the individual, who must willingly believe in the theory while awaiting the coming of new evidence. A well written book pointing out the gaps in the theory of evolution is Francis Hitching's, "The Neck of the Giraffe", subtitled, "Where Darwin Went Wrong". (New York, Ticknor & Fields, 1982). After reading that book it is possible to state that the "theory" of evolution is still in the process of being developing into a sound hypothesis. For our Creationist friends, among the 72 books of the bible in English, (Douay-Rheims version), the operative book for creation is NOT Genesis, but rather the Gospel according to John. John 1,1, "In principo erat verbum!" and all things were created by Him. Best regrds John Peter Rooney jprooney@foxboro.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 15:53:23 -0800 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Dean Costello Subject: Re: SAC hypothesis vs. theory > But, this was not the original discussion: the original >discussion revolved around the fact and theory of evolution. >A neutral examination of Darwin's theories will show that >there are a lot of holes in it. If evolution works, why do >some species not evolve? For example, why is the ginko >tree, the "fossil tree" of China, still in a relatively >un-evolved state. Or why is the ancient un-evolved >coelcanth still swimming, unchanged after eons, around the >coast of Africa? The fossil record is remarkably incomplete, >and too much is left to the faith of the individual, who >must willingly believe in the theory while awaiting the >coming of new evidence. Simple, because they are adapted to a particular ecological niche. If the niche goes away, then they go away (die off, since the individuals are not able to reproduce). If the niche slowly shrinks away, then mutations may arise that allow the organisms to continue breeding. This is not a toughie. - Dean Costello costello@earthlink.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 15:09:54 -0600 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Lisa Rogers Subject: SAC hypothesis vs. theory I am recently trained in neodarwinian evolutionary theory, yet I hope I'm not simply an unreflective science-ist. Be that as any make think, I'll just say that the following questions suggest to me some of the very common misunderstandings of how evolution is actually thought to work, which I have run into before. There is simply nothing in evolutionary theory to expect that change _must_ happen. It is always contingent upon.... But evolutionary theory itself, within scientific convention, I suspect is off-topic for this list, so I stop. Lisa Rogers p.s. Dean Costello's answer is quite good. > But, this was not the original discussion: the original >discussion revolved around the fact and theory of evolution. >A neutral examination of Darwin's theories will show that >there are a lot of holes in it. If evolution works, why do >some species not evolve? For example, why is the ginko >tree, the "fossil tree" of China, still in a relatively >un-evolved state. Or why is the ancient un-evolved >coelcanth still swimming, unchanged after eons, around the >coast of Africa? The fossil record is remarkably incomplete, >and too much is left to the faith of the individual, who >must willingly believe in the theory while awaiting the >coming of new evidence. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 16:16:53 -0600 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Lisa Rogers Subject: SAC fact vs theory I am learning a bit about the field of "science studies" and such by lurking around here. I can follow and understand and value some of the critique and understanding of science that I see. I followed up on a reading tip I got here, I think, by looking at Donna Haraway's _Primate Visions_ That's some really good stuff. Being an evolutionary anthropologist with a prior training in evolutionary biology and ecology, I've always known that everything we do has social implications, and I thought every scientist knew that people bring cultural biases, economic interests and such to their work. I already knew that some of the newer evol anthro and primatology, often done by women, was shaking up and overturning the male-biased previous work, I _am_ one of those iconoclasts! I know this science is a kind of story-telling, and it changes the kind of stories that others draw from and build upon it. I thought that critics/studies of science would also want to have some understanding of what science looks like from the inside, however partial it is, it is still part of what's going on. For instance, I think Haraway is right on when she says in the introduction that she is not trying to argue about the correctness of science within its field. Her look at the culture of science and the way that culture treats science is quite independent of whether or not any bit of "theory" or "hypothesis" is correct or likely to be changed within the course of science itself, etc. She makes a lot of sense to me. I think of science [in part] as one way to relate to the world, to try to figure out some things. That doesn't make it the only way to know anything, of course. I hope that many people in science studies may want to know how "science" regards "facts" and "theories" and even "hypotheses", in addition to or even as a prerequisite to critiquing them. But I still don't know very much about the field, so perhaps I presume too much. As for evolution, the simple definition of "change" may be considered by some to be a fact based largely on the fossils that do exist. This was certainly part of Darwin's observation, and part of Lyell's work geology at the time, which he studied intensely. The "fact" that changes in lifeforms have taken place over long periods of time was not terribly controversial at the time, as I understand. Darwin's puzzle was to figure out some mechanism by which such change might take place. His basic explanation is rather more complex and supported by many independent lines of evidence to be considered a mere hypothesis. I would save "hypothesis" for a single, relatively simple, even potentially falsifiable proposition. Darwinism is not that. So, darwinian _theory_ yes, but understood as a technical scientific term. To go about saying "just a theory" is to misrepresent science, rather than to critique it. To use other kinds of definitions of the words in other contexts is fine with me, but it may aid communication to keep these things clear and distinct. IMHO Lisa Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:09:40 -0600 From: Matthew Weinstein I think to most biologists, evolution is a fact: people can see speciation start to happen. Darwinism may be a theory of evolution, but even that can become a fact in the social sense: a given, doxa, prior belief. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 14:12:28 -0500 From: Karen Mercedes Subject: Re: FACT vs. THEORY Oh, God...he's going to want us to understand the difference between a "theory" and a "hypothesis" next. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 18:37:04 PST Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Jose Morales Subject: Re: SAC fact vs theory Gente, I really like your approach Lisa !! I think that Lisa's being as open and humble as possible and that desearves praise. Many science folks are no way as open and un-ego-involved in the attitudes of science as Lisa. Most people (scientists) wouldn't even talk about it. In the spirit of openness that Lisa puts out, I want to ask something of the list that I've thought about for sometime. I tried some time ago to ask subscribers of the list how an interesting statement made (it went something like this...theory--->fact, values--->theory, worldview --->values) could be applied to concepts that I deal with everyday. That concept is that TFIID binds to a gene's TATA box as the initiatory step in transcription of a gene. There was some responses to this posting, but there was one in particular that I remember. This response I believe reflects an attitude that I've heard on this list. The person said when I asked why didn't they answer the question and he said that they un-asked my question. I didn't get it, why was this guy saying this?? The way I figure it now is that he was in some kind of adversarial stance to my inquiry, trying to undermine what I asked. I figure he was doin' that 'cause he thought I was trying to say that the interesting statement above (theory-->fact etc.) was BS. Ok, now many, many scientists are arrogant know-it-alls, but here you got somebody (me) that took the time to be part of this list, is asking a (IMHO) reasonable question, why bust chops?!?!? I'd like to be able to ask how to use the insights of science studies in the REALM OF SCIENCE! I don't know how many of you science studies folks deal with actually practicing scientists, but I DO! I think that the insights are valuable and many times correct, and I want to take it to them! Science, as the rest of our society needs to change. I want to be able to know how to show these folks how these insights apply to ideas and facts that we deal with everyday. I do science, I don't study science like you science studies folks and I was asking for some comradely assistance. Scientists can be good allies to science studies workers, so lets talk like that. Know who your intellectual friends and adversaries are!! Jose ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:08:02 -0700 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Matthew Baggott Subject: Re: SAC fact vs theory In-Reply-To: <199604060240.SAA18041@itssrv1.ucsf.EDU> On Fri, 5 Apr 1996, Jose Morales wrote: > In the spirit of openness that Lisa puts out, I want to ask something of > the list that I've thought about for sometime. I tried some time ago to > ask subscribers of the list how an interesting statement made (it went > something like this...theory--->fact, values--->theory, worldview --->values) > could be applied to concepts that I deal with everyday. That concept is > that TFIID binds to a gene's TATA box as the initiatory step in > transcription of a gene. Being a new person on the list, I wasn't here when this was first asked, so I'll make a few observations. One possible reason that you didn't get many(?) helpful answers is the way in which you asked the question. It's difficult to 'unpack' your statement in its current form unless one is familiar with genetics at a certain level. This is a common 'problem' with technical issues. It is partially due to needing precise language to describe a technical issue, but I think it also helps separate the community of professionals from the laypeople. Technical language has other functions, to be sure, but these are some of them. I'm not saying you're deliberately obscuring the issue or anything, but the way in which you phrase your concept is as a statement about reality which is presumably true or distorted. This is a traditional way of speaking in science: seemingly objective statements with the measurement techniques and measurer invisible. Perhaps people on the list could better help you to apply science studies to your work if you described the concept as a practice. The concept of TFIID binding to a gene's TATA box must be imbedded in laboratory practices. You measure it somehow and you use it somehow. If you tell us more about how this concept exists in the larger world, maybe it'll be easier to see values and worldviews at work. Just the fact that you _didn't_ mention anything of this sort could be seen as telling us about the 'values/theories/worldview' of some brands of science. As scientists, we're trained not to think much about, say, the ways in which 'facts' can be used... As it stands now, I can't make many suggestions about your concept and the extent to which it's theory-laden (in a bad sense). Obviously, the fact that 'our society' is interested in focusing money and other resources into genetics is due to something in 'our' world view. We don't randomly investigate every unknown issue. Science is funded by interested organizations which often have some stake in the issues funded. Sometimes it is just the desire for material gain (like a biotech startup company); sometimes it is because the research topic reinforces a certain way of seeing the world; sometimes it is because the funding body wants to maintain a pool of experts in case it needs advise on a policy issue (Mukerjee discussed this last point nicely in _A Fragile Power_). Maybe this clarifies the values-->theory aspect of your question. Hope this helps. Looking back on my post, it seems pretty disorganized. There are plenty of distinctions that I ignore or fail to make clear. 'Theory-->fact' for example, could be taken in a perjorative sense or a neutral sense. The 'concept' you stated really only makes sense as part of a larger network (of either lab practices or other concepts, depending on how you want to look at it). Some of these concepts or practices are arbitrary or fuzzy or guesses, these grey areas affect the concept you listed. This is a more neutral reading of theory-laden. More negative readings are obviously possible. By the way, I studied philosophy (mostly 'of science') in college but have done psychopharmacology research for the last 6 years. So I've got a mixture of biases and experience from several 'camps'... -->M@! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:50:07 PDT Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Jose Morales Subject: Re: SAC: fact -->worldview Gente, Here are the laboratory practices as far as I remember them as I learned them years ago.. They purify the proteins involved in transcription initiation with columns and the like. They purify the promoter region of a gene of interest. They mixed combinations of the promoter and the proteins in a binding reaction. They ran a non-denaturing gel and estimated the size of the protein-DNA complex thereby guess the size of the protein and its identity. Perhaps they mixed antibodies specific to each protein to see which one was recognized as binding to the DNA. Hope that gives a little more laboratory practice to contextualize that fact. By the way, its not what I work on, but I assume its truth in the work I do do. Jose ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 19:36:43 -0700 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Dean Costello Subject: Re: SAC hypothesis vs. theory At 03:09 PM 4/5/96 -0600, you wrote: >But evolutionary theory itself, within scientific convention, I >suspect is off-topic for this list, so I stop. I have a tendancy to disagree (at the risk of starting [continuing] a creation/ evolution arguement): If we are discussing science in everyday culture, the interpretation and application of something as...mmm..."descriptive" as current evolutionary theory would strike me as being appropriate. >p.s. Dean Costello's answer is quite good. Which doesn't mean to say that I'm not a sucker for a compliment... - Dean "Liz Phair Does Not Suck" Costello costello@earthlink.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 10:11:50 +0000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Robert Maxwell Young Subject: List of forums and web sites in HPSST If anyone has suggestions of forums or web sites which could usefully be added to this list, please let me know. 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X-To: hpsst-l@qucdn.queensu.ca, sci-tech-studies@kasey.umkc.edu, mersenne@mailbase.ac.uk, cocta-l@nosferatu.cas.usf.edu, ishpsb-l@vm1.spcs.umn.edu The History of Philosophy of Science Working Group webpage is now available at: http://kasey.umkc.edu/ac/sci-stud/hopos/ Included on the page are links to: *Conference schedule, including abstracts of papers, for the First HOPOS conference, to be held at the Hotel Roanoke, Roanoke, Virginia, April 19-21 1996. *Information concerning the Working Group, HOPOS newsletters (including the latest edition, of March 1996), and relevant upcoming conferences. *Images of philosophers, suitable for framing. *Links to other philosophy and science studies web pages. The HOPOS Homepage is maintained at the University of Misourri - Kansas City, through the generous efforts of George Gale and Elam O'Renick. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 11:14:52 -0400 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Ed Morman Subject: Re: List of forums and web sites in HPSST In-Reply-To: <9604120951.AA26871@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu> This Johns Hopkins Institute of the History of Medicine has three documents on the web. The URL to point to is: http://www.welch.jhu.edu/history/IOHMhome.html The documents are (1) a description of the Institute and its library, (2) a comprehensive bibliography of reference sources in the history of science, medicine, and technology, and (3) a list of some online resources (with links) related to history of science, medicine and technology. 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We have already been told that The History of Philosophy of Science Working Group webpage is now available at: http://kasey.umkc.edu/ac/sci-stud/hopos/ I just want to add that I have just visited the site described here, and it is full of really interesting information, including, for example, a useful list - with descriptions - of journals in history, philosophy and social studies of science, with direct links to each. I heartily recommend a visit and browse. Bob Young Included on the page are links to: *Conference schedule, including abstracts of papers, for the First HOPOS conference, to be held at the Hotel Roanoke, Roanoke, Virginia, April 19-21 1996. *Information concerning the Working Group, HOPOS newsletters (including the latest edition, of March 1996), and relevant upcoming conferences. *Images of philosophers, suitable for framing. *Links to other philosophy and science studies web pages. The HOPOS Homepage is maintained at the University of Misourri - Kansas City, through the generous efforts of George Gale and Elam O'Renick. __________________________________________ | Robert Maxwell Young: robert@rmy1.demon.co.uk | 26 Freegrove Rd., London N7 9RQ, England | tel. +44 171 607 8306 fax. +44 171 609 4837 | Professor of Psychotherapy and Psychoanalytic Studies, | Centre for Psychotherapeutic Studies, University of Sheffield | Home page and writings: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/ 'One must imagine Sisyphus happy.' - Camus ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:23:56 -0700 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Matthew Baggott Subject: When did scientists become socially irresponsible? In-Reply-To: <199604121920.MAA24137@itssrv1.ucsf.EDU> I am writing a brief essay on John Uri Lloyd, an American chemist who lived 1849-1936. He was important because he was among the first European Americans to exploit native American herbs medicinally. It appears that he discovered at least one intoxicant which he failed to publicize out of fear that it would have harmful social consequences. Does anyone have any leads as to when this type of socially responsible attitude changed in science? This would be a nice point to make in my essay. If I had to guess, I'd say it was during a war. Any comments or leads appreciated. -->M@ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 10:16:25 +0000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Robert Maxwell Young Subject: address change: Science & Technology Studies Science and Technology Studies email forum: Correction The subscription info for STS list is now: STS-Request@cctr.umkc.edu Use the one-word command SUBSCRIBE Thanks, Geo Gale __________________________________________ | Robert Maxwell Young: robert@rmy1.demon.co.uk | 26 Freegrove Rd., London N7 9RQ, England | tel. +44 171 607 8306 fax. +44 171 609 4837 | Professor of Psychotherapy and Psychoanalytic Studies, | Centre for Psychotherapeutic Studies, University of Sheffield | Home page and writings: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/ 'One must imagine Sisyphus happy.' - Camus ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 10:16:31 +0000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Robert Maxwell Young Subject: MedHist Internet Resources ANESTHESIA AND MEDICAL HISTORY ON THE INTERNET Prepared by A.J. Wright, MLS /// 10 April 1996 *Anesthesia *anes-hist Launched in July 1995, anes-hist is an electronic discussion list devoted to the history of anesthesia, pain management, critical care medicine and related topics. List owners are Keith J. Ruskin, MD (ruskin@gasnet.med.yale.edu) and A.J. Wright, MLS (meds002@uabdpo.dpo. uab.edu); there are some 140 subscribers as of 3/96. To subscribe, send the message "subscribe anes-hist your name" [without the quotes] to listproc@gasnet.med.yale.edu *American Association of Nurse Anesthetists. Email address. Archivist: Lee C. Fosburgh, MLIS, MA (lfosburg@nslsilus.org) *Wood Library-Museum of Anesthesiology. Email addresses General: wlm@asahq.org Patrick Sim, MLS: p.sim@asahq.org Sally Graham, MLS, MA: s.graham@asahq.org *University of Alabama at Birmingham. Dept of Anesthesiology. Gopher Server URL: gopher://gopher.anes.uab.edu *Anesthesia History Menu This subsection of the gopher site contains a number of files related to the history of anesthesia, including literature searches on nitrous oxide, ether and chloroform and an annotated selection of recent articles *Educational Synopses in Anesthesiology and Critical Care. Anesthesia History Column. This electronic peer-reviewed journal, distributed free via the Internet, includes a history column in each issue. If you would like to submit, contact A.J. Wright, MLS (meds002@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu), Anesthesia History Contributing Editor. *Virtual Museum of Anesthesiology URL: http://umdas.med.miami.edu/ETT/VMA/VMA.HTML Curated by Carlos M. Nunez, MD (cmnumd@aol.com), this site is based at the University of Miami Department of Anesthesiology. As of 2/96, the site contains only a collection of portraits of historical figures, but collections of historical articles, reference materials and materials related to machines and other equipment are planned. *Medical History *CADUCEUS-L Established in May 1992, this electronic discussion list is devoted to the history of medicine. Moderated by Inci Bowman, PhD (ibowman@beach. utmb.edu), the list has about 650 subscribers as of 2/96. To subscribe, send the message "subscribe CADUCEUS-L" [without the quotes] to mailserv @beach.utmb.edu *Center for the Study of the History of Nursing. Email address. Curator: Margo Szabunia, Curator (nhistory@pobox.upenn.edu) *American Association for the History of Medicine. 1996 Annual Meeting, Buffalo NY, May 9-12, 1996 URL: http://wings.buffalo.edu/libraries/units/hsl/new/aahm1996/ *Bakken Library and Museum (Minneapolis, Minn.) URL: http://www.umn.edu/nlhome/m557/rhees001/blm/welcome.htm *Blocker History of Medicine Collections. 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Huizerweg 62, 1402 AE Bussum, The Netherlands. voice: x31-35-6933258 FAX: x31-35-6930762 E-mail: aried@xs4all.nl {========================================================================} {Imagine a school with children that can read or write, but with teachers} {who cannot, and you have a metaphor of the information age in which we } {live. (Quoted from: Prof. Peter Cochrane) } {========================================================================} When reading the works of an important thinker, look first for the apparent absurdities in the text and ask yourself how a sensible person could have written them." T. S. Kuhn, The Essential Tension (1977). ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 16:51:45 +0000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Robert Maxwell Young Subject: Science-as-culture web site: articles for discussion New members of the forum may not be aware of our web site, and old ones may benefit from a reminder. It would be a good thing to have some discussion of these articles - or of why they ahave not so far been taken up. When the Science-as-Culture forum was first created it was envisaged that it would be related to a web site where various writings could appear: articles under consideration for publication in Science as Culture articles from back issues of the journal and other longer pieces from whatever source which are too long for the forum or of interest to its subscribers. The site is now established at: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/rmy/indsac.html The object of this WWW site is to provide food for thought, to stimulate debate and to obtain constructive criticism for articles. That is, we hope to enhance interesting discussion about the issues which led us to set up the journal and email forum. Here is how it works. Anyone wishing to submit something to the web site should write to me at robert@rmy1.demon.co.uk, sending the essay, article or whatever by attachment or by email (formatting - italics, indents, spacing, bold, etc. - is retained in attachments, but they don't always get through). I will assess it (taking advice, if I think it relevant to do so) and (very likely) put it on the web site. We will play by ear how long things remain there. Some things may be removed in due course, others may be put on a web 'backlist' and remain available for downloading and/or reading on-line. People can post comments to the forum, to me or to the author(s). This is a new venture for us and one I have not seen tried before on the internet, although I doubt if it is unique. The Sheffield web site will be mirrored at St. Johns in New York to make downloading quicker. We welcome comments and suggestions about how to make this work better. The following articles are at the site: obert M. Young, 'A Place for Critique in the Mass Media' 46k Paper presented to programme in Science, Society and the Media', University of the West of England, June 1995. It explores the concept of critique and why it is so hard to do in the mass media, with proposals. Simon Schaffer, 'Babbage's Intelligence' In summer 1823 the new and controversial Astronomical Society of London decided to award its gold medal to one of its own founder members, the equally controversial Cambridge-trained mathematician Charles Babbage. The award formed part of an energetic campaign to launch the construction of a Difference Engine to calculate navigational and astronomical tables. The apotheosis of the intelligent machine was an integral part of Babbage's ambitious programme. This programme has been used here to illuminate the complex character of systematic vision in the Industrial Revolution. (This article appears courtesy of the Hypermedia Research Centre.) Richard Barbrook and Andy Cameron, 'The Californian Ideology' There is an emerging global orthodoxy concerning the relation between society, technology and politics. In this paperwe are calling this orthodoxy the Californian Ideology in honour of the state where it originated. By naturalising and giving a technological proof to a political philosophy, and therefore foreclosing on alternative futures, the Californian ideologues are able to assert that social and political debates about the future have now become meaningless and - horror of horrors - unfashionable. Under consideration for Science as Culture Thomas H. Thompson,'Metaphilosophy' 93K This is an autobiographical essay by a philosopher in which he reflects on his experiences as a graduate student in a department where a dominant figure, Gustav Bergmann, an adherent of the Vienna Circle, was in mortal combat with another philosopher, Everett Hall. The author explores the intellectual and interpersonal atmospheres and reflects psychoanalytically on the culture of graduate school in Iowa City. Suggestions for new essays to place on the site are very welcome, as are contributiuons which would be too long on the forum. Information about _Science-as-culture_, including contents of back issues, is available at: ttp://www.shef.ac.uk/uni/projects/gpp/process.html#science http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/process.html.#science For an absolutely up-to-date list, including forthcoming articles, write to: pp@rmy1.demon.co.uk Information about Process Press publications, including pre-publication offers, is available at: http://www.shef.ac.uk/uni/projects/gpp/process.html __________________________________________ | Robert Maxwell Young: robert@rmy1.demon.co.uk | 26 Freegrove Rd., London N7 9RQ, England | tel. +44 171 607 8306 fax. +44 171 609 4837 | Professor of Psychotherapy and Psychoanalytic Studies, | Centre for Psychotherapeutic Studies, University of Sheffield | Home page and writings: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/ 'One must imagine Sisyphus happy.' - Camus ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 16:31:55 +0000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Robert Maxwell Young Subject: Science-as-culture web site: articles for discussion X-To: "sc ience-as-culture"@sjuvm.stjohns.edu New members of the forum may not be aware of our web site, and old ones may benefit from a reminder. It would be a good thing to have some discussion of these articles - or of why they ahave not so far been taken up. When the Science-as-Culture forum was first created it was envisaged that it would be related to a web site where various writings could appear: articles under consideration for publication in Science as Culture articles from back issues of the journal and other longer pieces from whatever source which are too long for the forum or of interest to its subscribers. The site is now established at: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/rmy/indsac.html The object of this WWW site is to provide food for thought, to stimulate debate and to obtain constructive criticism for articles. That is, we hope to enhance interesting discussion about the issues which led us to set up the journal and email forum. Here is how it works. Anyone wishing to submit something to the web site should write to me at robert@rmy1.demon.co.uk, sending the essay, article or whatever by attachment or by email (formatting - italics, indents, spacing, bold, etc. - is retained in attachments, but they don't always get through). I will assess it (taking advice, if I think it relevant to do so) and (very likely) put it on the web site. We will play by ear how long things remain there. Some things may be removed in due course, others may be put on a web 'backlist' and remain available for downloading and/or reading on-line. People can post comments to the forum, to me or to the author(s). This is a new venture for us and one I have not seen tried before on the internet, although I doubt if it is unique. The Sheffield web site will be mirrored at St. Johns in New York to make downloading quicker. We welcome comments and suggestions about how to make this work better. The following articles are at the site: obert M. Young, 'A Place for Critique in the Mass Media' 46k Paper presented to programme in Science, Society and the Media', University of the West of England, June 1995. It explores the concept of critique and why it is so hard to do in the mass media, with proposals. Simon Schaffer, 'Babbage's Intelligence' In summer 1823 the new and controversial Astronomical Society of London decided to award its gold medal to one of its own founder members, the equally controversial Cambridge-trained mathematician Charles Babbage. The award formed part of an energetic campaign to launch the construction of a Difference Engine to calculate navigational and astronomical tables. The apotheosis of the intelligent machine was an integral part of Babbage's ambitious programme. This programme has been used here to illuminate the complex character of systematic vision in the Industrial Revolution. (This article appears courtesy of the Hypermedia Research Centre.) Richard Barbrook and Andy Cameron, 'The Californian Ideology' There is an emerging global orthodoxy concerning the relation between society, technology and politics. In this paperwe are calling this orthodoxy the Californian Ideology in honour of the state where it originated. By naturalising and giving a technological proof to a political philosophy, and therefore foreclosing on alternative futures, the Californian ideologues are able to assert that social and political debates about the future have now become meaningless and - horror of horrors - unfashionable. Under consideration for Science as Culture Thomas H. Thompson,'Metaphilosophy' 93K This is an autobiographical essay by a philosopher in which he reflects on his experiences as a graduate student in a department where a dominant figure, Gustav Bergmann, an adherent of the Vienna Circle, was in mortal combat with another philosopher, Everett Hall. The author explores the intellectual and interpersonal atmospheres and reflects psychoanalytically on the culture of graduate school in Iowa City. Suggestions for new essays to place on the site are very welcome, as are contributiuons which would be too long on the forum. __________________________________________ | Robert Maxwell Young: robert@rmy1.demon.co.uk | 26 Freegrove Rd., London N7 9RQ, England | tel. +44 171 607 8306 fax. +44 171 609 4837 | Professor of Psychotherapy and Psychoanalytic Studies, | Centre for Psychotherapeutic Studies, University of Sheffield | Home page and writings: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/ 'One must imagine Sisyphus happy.' - Camus ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 22:49:02 -0100 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Danilo Curci Subject: Re: Science-as-culture web site: articles for discussion Thank you for your information. I didn't understand a thing: have I to re-subscribe to Science-as Culture to another listserv? And: how? Thank you, Danilo Curci At 16.31 13/04/96 +0000, you wrote: >New members of the forum may not be aware of our web site, and old ones may >benefit from a reminder. It would be a good thing to have some discussion >of these articles - or of why they ahave not so far been taken up. > >When the Science-as-Culture forum was first created it was envisaged that >it would be related to a web site where >various writings could appear: > articles under consideration for publication in Science as Culture > articles from back issues of the journal > and other longer pieces from whatever source which are too long for >the forum or of interest to its subscribers. > The site is now established at: >http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/rmy/indsac.html > >Science and Technology Studies email forum: Correction >The subscription info for STS list is now: > >STS-Request@cctr.umkc.edu > >Use the one-word command SUBSCRIBE > ------------------------------------------------------------------ old address: 20129 MILANO (ITALY) - Via Plinio, 74 - 039-(0)2-2360410 new one: 25060 COLLEBEATO (BRESCIA) - Via Martinengo, 18 - 039-(0)30-2510333 e-mail: quadrant@iol.it ------------------------------------------------------------------ "ARCO / Art & Literature, Psychology and Communication" (mailing-list) Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/2459/ARCO.html http://www.intercom.it/~esprit/itindex.html (Pagine Italiane) ------------------------------------------------------------------ 'Ambrosius_the_owl' on Grassroots MOO at rdz.stjohns.edu:8888 (telnet) ------------------------------------------------------------------ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 18:17:46 EST Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: "JESPERSEN, NEIL D" Subject: Re: When did scientists become socially irresponsible? In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of Fri, 12 Apr 1996 18:23:56 EST DUE TO SOME STRANGE COMMANDS AT MY END, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PRECEEDS THIS LINE AND TAKE NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT. However, I would like to comment on social responsibility. It is the classic case of trying to prove a negative (which of course cannot be done). If a scientist does not publish, disclose, or promote a dis- covery which is supposedly detrimental to society HOW DO WE KNOW? It is impossible to determine if the rate at which scientists decline to reveal discoveries is greater, fewer, or the same as in the past. Therefore the premise of a loss of social responsibility is unprovable. As a scientist, I argue that it is the misuse of natural phenomina by non-scientists that is the greatest problem. To blame scientists for discovering natural fact, that is later misused by others, is not fair or proper. There is the alternative question. Is a scientist who refuses to divulge scientific fact socially responsible or socially irresponsible? CHANGE OF TOPICS: I followed the discussion of "EVOLUTION: fact or theory". The problem here seems to be the sloppy use of language as opposed to the science involved. In this case it appears that the words "theory", "hypothesis", "assumption", and "guess" are accorded the same or similar meanings. This makes for great press and gets people excited; but nothing else is gained. When science and society have this sort of problem, I suggest (at the expenditure of many extra words) that all of these and other terms be defined precisely by the persons involved in the discussion. This may waste some time and space, but it will quickly expose the fact that there is much less disagreement than appears in the popular press. Perhaps the first step for this discussion group is to come up with basic definitions we can all work with. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 14:08:52 EST Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: David Shein Subject: Re: When did scientists become socially irresponsible? please take me off this list. thank you. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 09:49:44 -0700 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Dean Costello Subject: Re: When did scientists become socially irresponsible? At 06:17 PM 4/13/96 EST, you wrote: >I followed the discussion of "EVOLUTION: fact or theory". The problem >here seems to be the sloppy use of language as opposed to the science >involved. In this case it appears that the words "theory", >"hypothesis", "assumption", and "guess" are accorded the same or similar >meanings. This makes for great press and gets people excited; but >nothing else is gained. When science and society have this sort of >problem, I suggest (at the expenditure of many extra words) that all >of these and other terms be defined precisely by the persons involved in >the discussion. This may waste some time and space, but it will quickly >expose the fact that there is much less disagreement than appears in the >popular press. >Perhaps the first step for this discussion group is to come up with >basic definitions we can all work with. Unfortunately, I have seen lovely debates go right into the dumper when a "What do you mean by X?" question comes up. Instead of debating the topic, it becomes a debate of semantics, which doesn't incur the same grandeur as "God Created the Heavens and the Earth: That is All Ye Know, and All Ye Need to Know", or phrases to the similar. - Dean Costello costello@earthlink.net "Have you ever noticed that the little cups that supply you with oxygen in airplanes look suspiciously like Parkay margarine bowls? I'm amused by the flight attendants' instructions to start the flow of oxygen by >gently< pulling on the hose. Look, when the plane is doing a shoulder roll at 700 miles per hour, 'gently' just ain't in my vocabulary: People are going to be Conan-ing these things right off the bulkhead. I find it intrinsically cruel that the last 40 seconds of life will be like an 'I Love Lucy' sketch." ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 22:04:09 EST Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: "JESPERSEN, NEIL D" Subject: "Lovely debates..." In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of Mon, 15 Apr 1996 11:49:44 EST I, for one, find it very difficult to communicate knowing that the mean- ings I attribute to key words may not be the meanings that others have. I don't really care what the meanings are, as long as everyone is playing on the same field. In other words, the game needs some rules or chaos will reign. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 22:02:37 -0700 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: "J. Cinnamond" Subject: Re: "Lovely debates..." In-Reply-To: <9604160220.AA06573@mx5.u.washington.edu> Finally- you comprehend the subtle game, its slippery rules, and the simple 'fact' that there can never be a winner. As the ethnomethodologists have been saying for 20+ years, shared meaning, whether in science or life, is always an approximation, agreed to for the sake of on-going human interaction. jeffrey On Mon, 15 Apr 1996, JESPERSEN, NEIL D wrote: > I, for one, find it very difficult to communicate knowing that the mean- > ings I attribute to key words may not be the meanings that others have. > I don't really care what the meanings are, as long as everyone is > playing on the same field. In other words, the game needs some rules or > chaos will reign. > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 09:00:44 PST Reply-To: michael@mb1.misc.pdx.edu Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Michael Flower Subject: Student needs help Erik Douglas, a student here at Portland State University, would appreciate some help. Here is his request for information. If you can be of help PLEASE POST MESSAGES TO ERIK at psu04306@odin.cc.pdx.edu "I am interested in developing a comprehensive survey of scientists to determine their beliefs and values regarding science and its relation to society. My initial research into previous studies of this kind has turned up little. Nevertheless, I suspect such studies have been made. I would be grateful to receive any pointers or information about such studies. Specifically, what I mean by 'scientists' is anyone working on scientific research in any capacity (e.g., industrial, public funded, university setting as an educator). I am especially interested in determining what are believed to be the roles of science in the context of the general society, as well as investigating questions regarding philosophy and ethics in science." +++++++++++++++++++++++++ Michael Flower University Honors Program (HON) Portland State University P.O. Box 751 Portland, OR 97207-0751 E-mail: flowerm@pdx.edu Voice: (503)725-5362 Fax: (503)725-5363 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 11:26:28 -0700 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: janet atkinson-grosjean Subject: SAC: Help on PhD programs in Britain Can anyone on the sceptred isle help me with info on PhD programs in STS in Britain? After an absence of twenty-odd years I'm considering returning *home* for doctoral work. My particular interest is looking at Science and Technology in the context of the differing values of modernity and postmodernity. Is there such a creature as *postmodern science* for example? And, if so, how does it differ from *modern science*? Also, is science becoming public culture, as Brockman claims? Can anyone suggest universities/ profs/ programs which might match my research interests? E-mail address follows for private responses. Thanks in advance. Jan ========================================================================= Janet Atkinson-Grosjean Graduate Liberal Studies Program Simon Fraser University at Harbour Centre, Vancouver, BC or ========================================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 15:36:29 +0200 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Italo Cantore unsuscribe ----------------------------- Name: Italo Cantore Address: Via degli Oleandri,9 85100 Potenza ITALY Tel: +39 971 55119 Fax: +39 971 55219 Email: i.cantore@memex.it ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 08:00:48 -1000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Mark Burch Subject: Re: When did scientists become socially irresponsible? X-To: Matthew Baggott In-Reply-To: <96Apr12.132615hst.11405(8)@relay1.Hawaii.Edu> Wars are probably an important context. Another watershed would be when scientists started to be employed by corporations. A corporation is an institution designed for social irresponsibility. A great example would be tobacco "scientists." Just recently one of them blew the whistle on Philip Morris. What caused him to become responsible? _____________________________________________________________________________ On Fri, 12 Apr 1996, Matthew Baggott wrote: > I am writing a brief essay on John Uri Lloyd, an American chemist who > lived 1849-1936. He was important because he was among the first > European Americans to exploit native American herbs medicinally. > It appears that he discovered at least one intoxicant which he failed > to publicize out of fear that it would have harmful social consequences. > > Does anyone have any leads as to when this type of socially responsible > attitude changed in science? This would be a nice point to make in my > essay. If I had to guess, I'd say it was during a war. > > Any comments or leads appreciated. > > -->M@ > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 10:31:09 -0600 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Lisa Rogers Subject: SAC When did scientists become socially irresponsible? Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 08:00:48 -1000 From: Mark Burch A great example would be tobacco "scientists." Just recently one of them blew the whistle on Philip Morris. What caused him to become responsible? Lisa: They're only human. Always have been, which includes chasing money, I guess. But "responsibility" seems a bit problematic to me. What's so great about witholding an "intoxicant"? Could it have been a painkiller, an anti-depressant, a substitute for something more harmful, like alcohol? Wars are great for "responsibility", its the duty to the nation to make weapons in order to save lives, etc, so the rhetoric goes. In order to hold up a standard of "social responsibility", somebody would have to define it, at least. This is surely a social/cultural process itself, susceptible to all sorts of convenient twisting. This is just to point out that the invocation of "social responsibility" seems rather problematic in itself, as a guide to judging the ethics of behavior. Lisa Rogers On Fri, 12 Apr 1996, Matthew Baggott wrote: > I am writing a brief essay on John Uri Lloyd, an American chemist > lived 1849-1936. [snip] > It appears that he discovered at least one intoxicant which he failed> to publicize out of fear that it would have harmful social consequences.> Does anyone have any leads as to when this type of socially responsible> attitude changed in science? [snip] ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 12:57:20 -0400 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Lucas Parra Subject: Re: SAC When did scientists become socially irresponsible? > From: Lisa Rogers > > Wars are great for "responsibility", its the duty to the nation to > make weapons in order to save lives, etc, so the rhetoric goes. > > In order to hold up a standard of "social responsibility", somebody > would have to define it, at least. This is surely a social/cultural > process itself, susceptible to all sorts of convenient twisting. > > This is just to point out that the invocation of "social > responsibility" seems rather problematic in itself, as a guide to > judging the ethics of behavior. Sorry, it appears to me rather obvious to identify building weapons as socially irresponsible. Killing a human being is certainly no "ethical behavior". Every action that ultimately leads to that is irresponsible, even buying the argument of the "duty to the nation to make weapons in order to save lives". This is to point out that if you place the human being in the center of your considerations your ethical decisions become often less problematic. Lucas Parra ---------- Sci.Opinions - http://humanism.org/opinions ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 16:53:22 -0400 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: "Howard S. Schwartz" Subject: SaC: Bernal/Lefkowitz debate available This might be of interest to some list members. Howard Schwartz Schwartz@Oakland.edu > >THE ATHENA DEBATE: HISTORY CAUGHT IN THE CLASSICAL CROSSFIRE > > For the first time in an electronic forum, Mary Lefkowitz, author of > NOT OUT OF AFRICA: HOW AFROCENTRISM BECAME AN EXCUSE TO TEACH MYTH AS > HISTORY and Martin Bernal, author of BLACK ATHENA, will debate, with > participating scholars, modern ideas of the origins of western > civilization, the fate of academic standards, and current threats to > academic freedom. This debate will run from April 22nd through > the month of May and will be sponsored by BasicBooks. We invite you > to participate. > > In addition to the athena debate, we are offering an opportunity for you to > > express your views as well. If you would like to engage in a dialogue with > > your fellow athena subscribers, simply send an email to > > lists@info.harpercollins.com > > with the message: > > subscribe athena-discuss > > Or, if you would prefer a daily archive of the audience's exchange, send an > > email to > > lists@info.harpercollins.com > > with the message: > > subscribe athena-discuss-digest > > > More details will be announced as we near > the start of the debate. > > *If you have any questions or problems, please don't hesitate to contact > Gay Salisbury, Associate Publisher, BasicBooks: > > gay.salisbury@harpercollins.com >=========================================================================== >Brian Donovan | e-mail: >English Dept. | bdonovan@vax1.bemidji.msus.edu >Bemidji State U. | home page: >Bemidji MN 56601 USA | http://vax1.bemidji.msus.edu/~bdonovan/bdonovan.html >=========================================================================== > > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 17:06:20 -0400 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: "Howard S. Schwartz" Subject: SaC: Lefkowitz-Bernal debate The previous message concerned only a discussion of the Athena debate. For the Lefkowitz-Bernal debate itself send the message subscribe athena to lists@info.harpercollins.com Howard Schwartz ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 17:07:39 -0700 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Dean Costello Subject: Re: SAC When did scientists become socially irresponsible? At 12:57 PM 4/22/96 -0400, you wrote: >Sorry, it appears to me rather obvious to identify building weapons as >socially irresponsible. Killing a human being is certainly no "ethical >behavior". Every action that ultimately leads to that is >irresponsible, even buying the argument of the "duty to the nation to >make weapons in order to save lives". Hmm, let's look at this: 1). Warfare is, for the nonce, inevitable. 2). The duty of the government is to protect the citizenry from practical harm. 3). To defend the country, you need to have an armed force. 4). To make the force effective, it must have appropriate weapons. Good enough. Now, you say that, "Every action that ultimately leads to that [building weapons] is irresponsible". This strikes me as ludicrous. Do you have any concept of the interconnected markets? If you buy a Dodge, since Crysler makes M-1 tanks, you are committing a socially irresponsible act? It strikes me as the next practical step. It reminds me of a friend of mine who goes ballistic whenever someone says they are going to buy a Honda. "But Val," I ask,"Honda's are built in the United States. Doesn't that mean that they, by definition, are American cars?" which usually reduces her to screaming at me, since she doesn't know what the Dept. of Commerce rules are concerning "Made in the USA" for cars. I am one of the last people to say that we need to spend more money on defense, but you have to be practical. Until everyone 'won't practice war no more', it is irresponsible not to look into new weapons. There was an episode of "The Simpsons" where Lisa makes a wish to get rid of violence, et al, on the planet. A race of aliens invades the Earth with a club. Which, in turn, does not immediately mean that every weapons system is a good idea. - Dean Costello costello@earthlink.net "I am the sun and the air" "I am the son and the heir" ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 20:42:30 EST Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: David Shein Subject: request for help My roomate is looking (qua research assistant) for the date of birth of Thomas Tighe. He is a psychologist who wrote _Modern Learning Theory_ and edited a collection called _Habituation_. (I'm sure he has done other stuff as well!) He is currently an administrator at U. of South Florida. Can anyone help us out? Thanks in advance Dave ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 11:00:18 +1000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Annette Gough Subject: Re: request for help >My roomate is looking (qua research assistant) for the date of birth of >Thomas Tighe. He is a psychologist who wrote _Modern Learning Theory_ and >edited a collection called _Habituation_. (I'm sure he has done other >stuff as well!) He is currently an administrator at U. of South Florida. > If he is still alive, why not telephone and ask him???? *************************** Annette Gough, PhD Faculty of Education Deakin University 662 Blackburn Road Clayton Victoria 3168 Australia Telephone (03) 9244 7197 +61 3 9244 7197 (from outside Australia) Fax (03) 9562 8808 +61 3 9562 8808 (from outside Australia) email PLEASE NOTE NEW TELEPHONE NUMBER!! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:48:49 +0200 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Arie Dirkzwager Subject: Re: SAC When did scientists become socially irresponsible? At 10:31 22-04-96 -0600, Lisa Rogers wrote: ------snip----- >In order to hold up a standard of "social responsibility", somebody >would have to define it, at least. This is surely a social/cultural >process itself, susceptible to all sorts of convenient twisting. ------Let me try a "definition". "Responsibility" is "to respond" (to "requirements", e.g. social needs or the requirement to sustain a healthy environment). "Responsibility" is also that our responses (actions) are (will be) judged, by our fellow human beings and eventually by God. The "requirements" we have to respond to are NOT any fixed ethical standards or prescriptions on which judgement can be "objectively" founded. Still this does not lead to relativism as the MAIN requirement is that our actions are signs of our love for God and for our fellow human beings and I think they are very well able to judge if there is love in our actions. >This is just to point out that the invocation of "social >responsibility" seems rather problematic in itself, as a guide to >judging the ethics of behavior. -----I don't agree. I think the above solved your "problem". As for a "guide" - as you might have concluded already I find my guide in the stories that are told about God and His relation to mankind in the bible - those stories are true in a very deep sense. Arie ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 07:38:36 EST Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: David Shein Subject: Re: request for help > If he is still alive, why not telephone and ask him???? Yeah, that's what I said. My roomate says it would be tacky. I disagreed. Glad to see I'm not the only one. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:28:50 -0600 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Lisa Rogers Subject: SAC "social responsibility" I previously wrote: This is just to point out that the invocation of "social responsibility" seems rather problematic in itself, as a guide to judging the ethics of behavior. Lucas Parra wrote: "Sorry, it appears to me rather obvious to identify building weapons as socially irresponsible. Killing a human being is certainly no "ethical behavior". Every action that ultimately leads to that is irresponsible, even buying the argument of the "duty to the nation to make weapons in order to save lives"." Comment: Is self-defense "ethical" ? Note that I referred to war "rhetoric", and did not indicate that I "buy it". "This is to point out that if you place the human being in the center of your considerations your ethical decisions become often less problematic." Comment: Do you imply that I fail to do this? What was my talk of the possible benefits of herbal drugs, if not an interest in human well-being? I'm not sure that it simplifies ethics, but maybe I haven't tried out other ways of thinking. I'll read with interest if you'd like to expand on your generalization. I imagine there is quite a field of study and body of literature around the question of "social responsibility", discussing and trying to define it and such. I don't mean to write it off as a bankrupt concept, but general invocations of "SR" don't convey a specific or nuanced meaning to me, [tho it does seem emotionally loaded.] Regards, Lisa Rogers ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:20:16 -0400 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Lucas Parra Subject: Re: SAC "social responsibility" > From: Lisa Rogers > > I previously wrote: > This is just to point out that the invocation of "social > responsibility" seems rather problematic in itself, as a guide to > judging the ethics of behavior. > > Lucas Parra wrote: > "Sorry, it appears to me rather obvious to identify building weapons > as socially irresponsible. Killing a human being is certainly no > "ethical behavior". Every action that ultimately leads to that is > irresponsible, even buying the argument of the "duty to the nation to > make weapons in order to save lives"." > > Comment: Is self-defense "ethical" ? Sure it is. But it is even more ethical to actively avoid a situation where violence seems to be the last resort. You would call that "active non-violence" as posed to the more naive notion of pacifism. Building weapons dose not strike me as an active non-violent pastime, and therefore _less_ ethical - again, given that one puts the human being in the center of ones considerations. If on the contrary you think protecting the national integrity is more important you will tend to disagree. > Note that I referred to war "rhetoric", and did not indicate that I > "buy it". OK, so we agree. > "This is to point out that if you place the human being in the > center of your considerations your ethical decisions become often > less problematic." Comment: Do you imply that I fail to do this? > What was my talk of the possible benefits of herbal drugs, if not an > interest in human well-being? I'm not sure that it simplifies > ethics, but maybe I haven't tried out other ways of thinking. I'll > read with interest if you'd like to expand on your generalization. It is surprising how often you can find out that _they_ are trying to fool you, if you take a step back and remember which are your ultimate priorities. Even opponents find out that they actually agree, and if not they find out why not. And the funny thing is that very often our intuition tells us what is "right" and what is "wrong" and we get confused once we start thinking with the wrong priorities, i.e. the ones that are not really primary for us. > I imagine there is quite a field of study and body of literature > around the question of "social responsibility", discussing and trying > to define it and such. I don't mean to write it off as a bankrupt > concept, but general invocations of "SR" don't convey a specific or > nuanced meaning to me, [tho it does seem emotionally loaded.] I think, relativism is fine if is enables you to understand an other persons point of view. But if you loose you point of reference and every thing starts becoming equally valid, you have gone one step to far. This are my two cents worth ... Lucas ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:43:14 +0000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Robert Maxwell Young Subject: Paper on 'Primitive Processes on the Internet' I have written a paper exploring people's reactions to computers, getting on the net and reflecting on some primitive processes whjich occur when on the internet. It is at my web site. Anyone who wants to read - and, hopefully, comment on - it but who has trouble getting it from the web can write directly to me, and I will email it personally. The essay includes some comments on Sherry Turkle's psychoanalytically-informed new book, _Life on the Screen: Identity in the Age of the Internet_ (N. Y.: Simon & Schuster; London: Weidenfeld & Nicolson), in which she explores the relationship between computers and postmodernism. __________________________________________ | Robert Maxwell Young: robert@rmy1.demon.co.uk | 26 Freegrove Rd., London N7 9RQ, England | tel. +44 171 607 8306 fax. +44 171 609 4837 | Professor of Psychotherapy and Psychoanalytic Studies, | Centre for Psychotherapeutic Studies, University of Sheffield | Home page and writings: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/ | Process Press publications: | http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/process_press/index.html 'One must imagine Sisyphus happy.' - Camus ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:29:27 +0000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Robert Maxwell Young Subject: Good web sites: Durham, etc. A really interesting web site at the University of Durham: Technothings (University of Durham STS): http://www.dur.ac.uk/~dss8zz2/tec.htm Lots of STS Links: http://www2.ncsu.edu/ncsu/chass/mds/stslinks.html Technolinks: http://www.dur.ac.uk/~dss8zz2/links.htm Durham STS seminar papers: http://www.dur.ac.uk/~dss8zz2/201.htm __________________________________________ | Robert Maxwell Young: robert@rmy1.demon.co.uk | 26 Freegrove Rd., London N7 9RQ, England | tel. +44 171 607 8306 fax. +44 171 609 4837 | Professor of Psychotherapy and Psychoanalytic Studies, | Centre for Psychotherapeutic Studies, University of Sheffield | Home page and writings: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/ | Process Press publications: | http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/process_press/index.html 'One must imagine Sisyphus happy.' - Camus ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 17:49:10 GMT Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Sally Wyatt Organization: University Of East London Subject: call for papers ---- final reminder - deadline May 1 ---- ********************************************************************* IS THERE A FUTURE FOR THE SOCIOLOGY OF SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE? Saturday, 7th September 1996 CALL FOR PAPERS ********************************************************************** The sociology of scientific knowledge (SSK) underwent dramatic changes and influenced many other areas of thought within and outside sociology from the 1960s to mid-1980s. More recently, its coherence has fragmented and more vociferous challenges to the rights of social scientists to examine science and scientists have been heard. Part of the fragmentation has been a result of the success of related fields, including the new sociology of technology, new histories of science and technology and feminist epistemology. This conference will explore the implications of these developments for the future of SSK. Keynote speakers will include Wiebe Bijker (Limburg), Sandra Harding (UCLA) and Barry Barnes (Exeter). Further contributions are invited for parallel sessions on the sociology of technology, politics and alternative epistemologies, and the relationship between SSK and other disciplines. Please send abstracts by May 1st to: Tim Jordan or Sally Wyatt Dep't of Sociology Dep't of Innovation Studies University of East London University of East London Longbridge Road Maryland House Dagenham Manbey Park Road Essex RM8 2AS London E15 1EY Email: T.R.JORDAN@UEL.AC.UK Email: S.M.E.WYATT@UEL.AC.UK If you are interested in attending the conference, please ring Joan Tremble on +44 (0)181 849 3460 or fax +44 (0)181 849 3619 or email TREMBLE@UEL.AC.UK Sally Wyatt, Dep't of Innovation Studies, University of East London, Maryland House, Manbey Park Road, London, E15 1EY, UK tel: +44 (0)181 849 3675/6 fax: +44 (0)181 849 3677 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 14:01:55 +0000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Robert Maxwell Young Subject: USEFUL INFORMATION AND COMMANDS -PLEASE SAVE USEFUL COMMANDS - PLEASE SAVE Science as Sulture web site with articles and essays for comment on the forum : http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/rmy/sac.html Subscription information and list of articles in back issues and forthcoming issues of the printed journal, _Science as Culture_: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/process_press/index.html#science To leave the science-as-culture forum, send the following message to listserv@sjuvm.stjohns.edu (leave the subject line blank) unsubscribe sci-cult It is possible to subscribe to to the forum in index (table of contents) or in digest (one mailing with all the messages for the day). 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