From: L-Soft list server at St. John's University (1.8c) To: Ian Pitchford Subject: File: "SCI-CULT LOG9511" Date: Sunday, September 27, 1998 1:18 PM ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 11:51:17 +0000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Robert Maxwell Young Subject: Welcome from Moderator Welcome. Forty people signed up for Science-as-Culture on the first day, so I feel optimisic that we will have an active and interesting forum. It is associated with the quarterly journal of the same name, so I hope people will feel inclined to subscribe and to contribute articles, essays, thoughts and queries. Contributions which are longer than is appropriate to an email forum are encouraged and suitable ones will be placed on a web site for reading, downloading, discussion. It is not a requirement that submissions to the hard copy journal should go to the web site, but we think it a new and interesting procedutre that some should be put there for constructive comment and criticism, which the author can take into account before revising the piece for publication. Longet contributions of any kind should be sent to me by email (no more than 24k per message; longer ones should be sent in parts) or as attachments (which will retain formating). If in doubt about submittirng something, write to me and we can discuss it. I can sometimes advise about problems in sending things. (For example, if you don't know about attachments, they are an option on the Message menu of Eudora.) I very much hope that the subscribers to the forum will take the trouble of writing a paragraph about themselves so that e can have some idea who we are. Let's go, Bob Young __________________________________________ | Robert Maxwell Young: robert@rmy1.demon.co.uk | 26 Freegrove Rd., London N7 9RQ England | tel. +44 171 607 8306 fax. +44 171 6094837 | Professor of Psychotherapy and Psychoanalytic Studies, | Centre for Psychotherapeutic Studies, | University of Sheffield: r.m.young@sheffield.ac.uk | Home page and writings: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/ | _Mental Space_: http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/rmy.html | Process Press, _Free Associations_, _Science as Culture_: | http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/process.html 'One must imagine Sisyphus happy.' - Camus ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 11:51:25 +0000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Robert Maxwell Young Subject: _Science as Culture_ quarterly journal _Science as Culture_ 26 Freegrove Road London N7 9RQ, England tel.0171-609 0507 fax 0171-609 4837 email pp@rmy1.demon.co.uk _Science as Culture_ explores the role of expertise in shaping the values which contend for influence over the wider society. The journal analyses how our scientific culture defines what is rational, and what is natural. SaC provides a unique, accessible forum for debate, beyond the boundaries of academic disciplines and specializations. Contributors have included: Vincent Mosco, Donna Haraway, Richard Barbrook, Langdon Winner, Michael Chanan, Sarah Franklin, Michael Shortland.Steve Best & Douglas Kellner. Roger Smith, Mary Mellor, Scott L. Montgomery, Roger Silverstone, Bruce Berman, Ashis Nandy, Jack Kloppenburg, Jr, Les Levidow, Christopher Hamlin, Philip Garrahan & Paul Stewart, Maureen McNeil, Barbara Duden, Andrew Ross, Dennis Hayes, Kevin Robins & Frank Webster, David Pingitore, Jon Turney, Stephen Hill & Tim Turpin, Chunglin Kwa, Joel Kovel, David Hakken, Robert M. Young. The journal has published articles on mass-media representations of expertise, the political role of radio, human and agricultural biotechnologies, cultures of workplace automation, the metaphors central to scientific knowledge, artificial intelligence, images of the scientist in film and theatre, etc. _Science as Culture_ is published quarterly, and each issue contains 160 pages. Subscription may begin with any issue. (=A31.00 =3D $1.60) Subscripti= ons for United Kingdom: =A325 individual for four issues, =A342.50 for eight issues; =A350 institutional for four issues, =A385 for eight issues Overseas= : =A330 for four issues, =A350 for eight issues. All prices include postage. A= ir Mail =A310 extra. Orders to Science as Culture, Worldwide Subscription Service Ltd., Unit 4, Gibbs Reed Farm, Ticehurst, TN5 7HE, England. Tel. +01580 200657 Fax. +01580 200616. Payment should be in sterling or US dollars or by credit card (Visa/Barclaycard/MasterCard/Access). If payment is made in another currency, add the equivalent of =A35. to cover conversion charges. Subscriptions for the USA, Canada/Mexico: $30 individual USA, $45 Canada/Mexico; $65 institutional USA, $80 institutional Canada/Mexico. All prices include postage. Order from Guilford Publications, Inc., 72 Spring Street, New York, N. Y., USA. Tel. (212) 431 9800; (800) 365 7006; Fax. (212) 966 6708. Payment should be in US dollars or by credit card (American Express/MasterCard/Visa). Send for a free sample copy and for a free list of contents of all issues, specifying which are still available. Back issues are =A37.50 each for non-subscribers, =A34.00 for subscribers; =A310.= 75 for institutions. Available from Science as Culture, 26 Freegrove Road, London N7 9RQ. Tel. +0171 607 8306 Fax. +0171 609 4837 email pp@rmy1.demon.co.uk. Science as Culture 26 Freegrove Road London N7 9RQ tel.0171-609 0507 fax 0171-609 4837 All back issues are still available @=A37.50 /=A34 to subscribers as follows= : pilot issue Star Wars is already working (Vincent Mosco); Science, poetry and utopia:Humphrey Jennings' Pandaemonium (Kevin Robins); A new way of talking: community radio in 1980s Britain (Richard Barbrook); The scientist as guru: the explainers (Robert M. Young); Sex selection in India: girls as a bad investment (Les Levidow. SaC 1 'Play it again, Sony': the double life of home video technology (Ben Keen); Alan Turing on stage (Tony Solomonides); Nostalgic naturalism: Granta on science (Sally Shuttleworth); 'Choice' in childbirth (Grazyna Baran); Making chips with dust-free poison (Dennis Hayes); Socially useful production (Pam Linn). SaC 2 The home computer (Leslie Haddon); Science shops in France (John Stewart); Counting on the cards: a blackjack system (Holly Gamble); High-tech mining and the new model miner (Joe Bohen & Nick Wroughton); Science-fiction utopias (Barbara Goodwin); Electronic surveillance -- or security perverted (Bertrand Giraux). SaC 3 Athens without slaves... or slaves without Athens? (Kevin Robins & =46rank Webster); Piano studies (Michael Chanan); Life Story: the gene as fetish object on TV (Sarah Franklin); Non-Western science, past and present (Les Levidow); Romancing the future (Peter Hulme). SaC 4 Wonder stories in Alienland (Michael Shortland); Watching television (Steve Best & Douglas Kellner); The trials of forensic science (Roger Smith); The female in scientific biography (Sylvana Tomaselli); Looking backward at the socialist utopian (Patrick Parrinder); Chernobyl: nobody's to blame? (Les Levidow). SaC 5 Robocop and 1980s sci-fi films (Fred Glass); The embracing vision of Joseph Needham (Joel Kovel); Charles Darwin: man and metaphor (Robert M. Young); TechnoCity: symbolic utopia and status panic (Vincenzo Ruggiero). SaC 6 Nuclear emergency: an 'unusual event (Patricia Kullberg); Turning green: whose ecology? (Mary Mellor); The cult of jargon (Scott L. Montgomery); The operating theatre as degradation ritual (Larry O'Hara); Television: text or discourse? (Roger Silverstone); Black Athena: two views (John Gabriel and George W. Stocking, Jr). SaC 7 The computer metaphor: bureaucratizing the mind (Bruce Berman); AIDS culture (John Fauvel); Science as a reason of state (Ashis Nandy); The telephone as romance in Hollywood film (George Custen). SaC 8: Post-Fordism Post-fordism and technological determinism (Eloina Pelaez & John Holloway); Management-by-stress in the US auto industry (Mike Parker & Jane Slaughter); Foreclosing the future (Les Levidow); Mistranslations: Lipietz in London and Paris (Richard Barbrook); Scientism in the history of management theory (Robert M. Young); Rationalism, irrationalism and Taylorism (Bill Schwarz). SaC 9 Monstrous nature or technology? (Ian Barns); The double helix as icon (Greg Myers); Woman, nature and the international division of labour (Maria Mies interviewed by Ariel Salleh); Repressive tolerance in science policy (Philip Bereano); Nuclear accidents by design (Les Levidow); Darwinism and the division of labour (Robert M. Young). SaC 10 Science as kitsch: the dinosaur and other icons (Scott L. Montgomery); India's human guinea pigs (Vandana & Mira Shiva); 'Mathophobia': Pythagoras and roller-skating (Richard Winter); Women who make the chips (Les Levidow). SaC 11 Cervical screening, medical signs and metaphors (Tina Posner); Chaos and entropy: postmodern science and social theory (Steven Best); Technological cultures of weapons design (Perry Morrison & Stephen Little); Reclaiming experience (Richard Gunn). SaC 12: Deadly science as culture Exterminating angels: morality, violence and technology in the Gulf War (Kevin Robins & Asu Aksoy); Some are mathematicians (Mike Siddoway); Codes and combat in biomedical discourse (Scott L. Montgomery); The culture of Star Wars (Edward Reiss); Postmodern politics in Los Angeles (Don Parson); The anti-nuclear campaign on the Ganges (Dhirendra Sharma). SaC 13: Genes 'n' Greens Alternative agriculture and the new biotechnologies (Jack Kloppenburg, Jr); Green meanings: what might sustainable agriculture sustain? (Christopher Hamlin); Cleaning up on the farm (Les Levidow); The social side of sustainability (Patricia Allen & Carolyn Sachs); Biodiversity and food security (Alistair Smith); India's Green Revolution in crisis (Praful Bidwai); Surviving development (Sarah =46ranklin). SaC 14 The Bird and the Robot at Walt Disney World (Stephen Fjellman); =46IAT's cultural revolution (Sheren Hobson); Otherworldly conversations; terran topics; local terms (Donna Haraway); The virtual unconscious in post-photography (Kevin Robins); Genes and racial hygiene (Deborah Steinberg). SaC 15 Science, ideology and Donna Haraway (Robert M. Young); Science in China and the West (Matthew Gutmann); British radio in the 1980s (Richard Barbrook); The constructed female in women's science fiction (Debbie Shaw). SaC 16 Working for Nissan (Philip Garrahan & Paul Stewart); Why people die (Lindsay Prior & Mick Bloor); Darwin's metaphor and the philosophy of science (Robert M. Young); Roger Penrose and the critique of artificial intelligence (Bruce J. Berman); Social constructivism: opening the black box and finding it empty (Langdon Winner); Agricultural biotechnology: whose efficiency? (Les Levidow). SaC 17: Procreation Stories New reproductive technologies: dreams and broken promises (Maureen McNeil); The gender character of in vitro fertilization (Marta Kirejczyk); Postmodern procreation: representing reproductive practice (Sarah Franklin); Visualizing 'life' (Barbara Duden); The public foetus and the family car (Janelle Sue Taylor). SaC 18 The world according toNational Geographic (Scott L. Montgomery); Japan: panacea or threat? (Ron Mitchinson); Technology assessment in German's biotechnology debate (Bernhard Gill); Powders, pills, bodies and things (Tony Kirman); The new smartness (Andrew Ross); The emperor's new genes (Pat Spallone). SaC 19 Family medicine in American culture (David Pingitore); Evolution, ethics and the search for certainty (Martha McCaughey); Thinking about the human genome project (Jon Turney) Gravity's Rainbow and the Newton/Goethe colour controversy (Megan Stern) SaC 20 Academic research cultures in collision (Stephen Hill & Tim Turpin); Modelling technologies of control (Chunglin Kwa); Desmond and Moore'sDarwin:: a critique (Robert M. Young); De-reifying risk (Les Levidow). SaC 21 Demolition derby as destruction ritual (Stephen C. Zehr); Electronic curb cuts and disability (David Hakken); Te(k)nowledge & the student/subject (James McDonald); The zoo: theatre of the animals (Scott L. Montgomery). SaC 22: Science on Display Making nature 'real' again (Steven Allison); Supermarket science? (Sharon Macdonald); Realism in representing race (Tracy Teslow); Nations on display at Expo '92 (Penelope Harvey). SaC 23 Body wars, body victories: AIDS and homosexuality in immunological discourse (Catherine Waldby); Animal experiments: scientific uncertainty and public unease (Mike Michael & Lynda Birke); Reading the human genome narrative (Josie van Dijck); What scientists need to learn (Robert M. Young); UK Consensus Conference on plant biotechnology (Ian Barns). SaC 24 Haitians, racism and AIDS (Laurent Dubois); The social construction of farm pollution (Philip Lowe and Neil Ward). Brains from space (Jeffrey Sconce); Laughing gas: democracy without feeling (Santiago Colas); Vannevar Bush: an engineer builds a book (Larry Owens). Back issues are =A37.50 each for non-subscribers, =A34.00 for subscribers; =A310.75 for institutions. Available from Science as Culture, 26 Freegrove Road, London N7 9RQ. Tel. +0171 607 8306 Fax. +0171 609 4837 The journal is published quarterly, and each issue contains 160 pages. Subscription may begin with any issue. Subscriptions for United Kingdom: =A325 individual for four issues, =A342.50 for eight issues; =A350 instituti= onal for four issues, =A385 for eight issues Overseas: =A330 for four issues, =A3= 50 for eight issues. All prices include postage. Air Mail =A310 extra. Orders t= o Science as Culture, Worldwide Subscription Service Ltd., Unit 4, Gibbs Reed =46arm, Ticehurst, TN5 7HE, England. Tel. +01580 200657 Fax. +01580 200616. Payment should be in sterling or US dollars or by credit card (Visa/Barclaycard/MasterCard/Access). If payment is made in another currency, add the equivalent of =A35. to cover conversion charges. Subscriptions for the USA, Canada/Mexico: $30 individual USA, $45 Canada/Mexico; $65 institutional USA, $80 institutional Canada/Mexico. All prices include postage. Order from Guilford Publications, Inc., 72 Spring Street, New York, N. Y., USA. Tel. (212) 431 9800; (800) 365 7006; Fax. (212) 966 6708. Payment should be in US dollars or by credit card (American Express/MasterCard/Visa). A full catalogue of Process Press publications is available at: http://www.shef.ac.uk/uni/projects/gpp/process.html It can also be sent via air mail if you have trouble with the web site. Write to pp@rmy1.demon.co.uk __________________________________________ | Robert Maxwell Young: robert@rmy1.demon.co.uk | 26 Freegrove Rd., London N7 9RQ England | tel. +44 171 607 8306 fax. +44 171 6094837 | Professor of Psychotherapy and Psychoanalytic Studies, | Centre for Psychotherapeutic Studies, | University of Sheffield: r.m.young@sheffield.ac.uk | Home page and writings: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/ | _Mental Space_: http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/rmy.html | Process Press, _Free Associations_, _Science as Culture_: | http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/process.html 'One must imagine Sisyphus happy.' - Camus ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 09:00:01 -0600 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Douglas Kellner Subject: Re: Welcome from Moderator In-Reply-To: <199511051155.FAA03615@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> from "Robert Maxwell Young" at Nov 5, 95 11:51:17 am I'll open up Bob Young's request to begin introductions on the SaC list: I'm a Prof of philosophy at the Univ of Texas, Austin, and I've been on the SaC editorial board for some time. I just published this year a book on MEDIA CULTURE with Routledge and am concluding a book with Steven Best, THE POSTMODERN ADVENTURE that follows up our earlier book POSTMODERN THEORY. I'm currently studying the impact of media and computer technology on all aspects of society and am very interested in the use of media and computers to promote progressive agendas, hence my interest in this list. I like Bob's suggestion that prospective articles to SaC be posted on list, or a Website, and that people comment, generate discussions, etc. This is a wonderful new opportunity for intellectual exchange so let's make use of it! Douglas Kellner kellner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 16:59:51 +0000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Robert Maxwell Young Subject: Re: Welcome from Moderator >I'll open up Bob Young's request to begin introductions on the SaC list: > >I'm a Prof of philosophy at the Univ of Texas, Austin, and I've been on the SaC >editorial board for some time. I just published this year a book on MEDIA >CULTURE with Routledge and am concluding a book with Steven Best, THE > POSTMODERN ADVENTURE that follows up our earlier book POSTMODERN THEORY. >I'm currently studying the impact of media and computer technology on all >aspects of society and am very interested in the use of media and computers >to promote progressive agendas, hence my interest in this list. >I like Bob's suggestion that prospective articles to SaC be posted on list, >or a Website, and that people comment, generate discussions, etc. This is >a wonderful new opportunity for intellectual exchange so let's make use of >it! >Douglas Kellner >kellner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu Doug, Tell us a bit about your line and about your experience in the media, esp tv, please. Bob __________________________________________ | Robert Maxwell Young: robert@rmy1.demon.co.uk | 26 Freegrove Rd., London N7 9RQ England | tel. +44 171 607 8306 fax. +44 171 6094837 | Professor of Psychotherapy and Psychoanalytic Studies, | Centre for Psychotherapeutic Studies, | University of Sheffield: r.m.young@sheffield.ac.uk | Home page and writings: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/ | _Mental Space_: http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/rmy.html | Process Press, _Free Associations_, _Science as Culture_: | http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/process.html 'One must imagine Sisyphus happy.' - Camus ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 14:19:45 -0600 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Douglas Kellner Subject: Re: Welcome from Moderator In-Reply-To: <199511051705.LAA09607@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> from "Robert Maxwell Young" at Nov 5, 95 04:59:51 pm Bob Young just asked me to comment on my TV work: Part of my approach to technology is to attempt to devise ways that technology can be used positively to promote social change. Accordingly, for over 18 years I've co-produced a public access television program called ALTERNATIVE VIEWS which is produced here in Austin and shown all over the US. I've written about this project in my book TELEVISION AND THE CRISIS OF DEMOCRACY and several articles, including one SaC project. The project was to produce a venue for voices excluded from mainstream media, ranging from the relatively famous (Ramsey Clark, CIA critic John Stockwell) to local labor organizers, gay activists and other progressives usually excluded from mainstream media. We also showed leftist documentaries and other material sent to us from around the world (i.e. raw footage of guerilla war in El Salvador, raw footage of US Nazis assassinating labor organizers in North Carolina. More recently, I have become interested in computer activism, in how computers can be used for social change and would be interested in people's postings on this issue. Douglas Kellner kellner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 03:19:23 -0500 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: John Giacobbe Subject: Introduction Dear SCIENCE-AS-CULTURE List members, I am John A. Giacobbe, a physical anthropologist and archaeologist by vocation, and one of the aspects of human culture I study is the role of science and technology as an adaptive strategy. I am currently working for a commercial resource management firm in New Mexico, USA (Western Archaeological Services, Inc.). My research may take a different perspective to the study of science as culture, in that I approach the concept from a diachronic perspective, that is, how science and technology have changed the form and function of culture, as an adaptive strategy, over time. I hope to be able to learn from others in different fields on this list, and contribute in some small way my possibly divergent perspectives. Up until this point I was not familiar with the SaC journal, or Website, but I agree that such a format is beneficial, if not vital, for the full intellectual exchange any scientific endeavor must have. I look forward to future discussions. John A. Giacobbe catalinus@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 11:46:03 +0000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Robert Maxwell Young Subject: Television as a dense medium & a technology I am responding to Doug Kellner's posting about television. He has concentrated on the problem of access. I am equally interested in tv and other technologuies as media which are not transparent. I worked for a number of years making documentaries about science, technology & medicine, and in the end felt defeated by the labour process and the medium itself. I was so shattered that I went into analysis and was so helped by psychoanalysis that I became a psychotherapist! It took me a long time to feel able to think and write about that happened. I have done three recent essays, all of which can be downloadd from my web site: http://www.shef.ac.uk/uni/projects/gpp/process.html 'What Scientists Have to Learn' 'What I learned at Summer Camp: Experiences in Television' 'A Place for Critique in the Mass Media' I would be glad to have comments about the issues raised in these essays. In particular, I argue that television is a dense (not transparent) medium and that the way it reproduces existing relationships of work and of knowledge and the way it pre-structures what can be said and how, makes it very hard , indeed, to say things which do not go with the grain of how science and technology are treated in the broader culture. Those ways are built into television itself. I also argue that it's strange that we do not empower ourselves more to make our own programs without passing through the filters of the centralised programming bodies (something that can be done more easily in the US than Britain, because we don't have local tv in Britain. We do have casettes, though!). My argument is a version of the peosition that technologies embody social relations. That doesn't mean - s Doug Kellner's programs show - that you can't use them for counter-hegemonic purposes, but I am here to tell you that it's damned hard to do from inside the belly of the beast. Bob Young __________________________________________ | Robert Maxwell Young: robert@rmy1.demon.co.uk | 26 Freegrove Rd., London N7 9RQ England | tel. +44 171 607 8306 fax. +44 171 6094837 | Professor of Psychotherapy and Psychoanalytic Studies, | Centre for Psychotherapeutic Studies, | University of Sheffield: r.m.young@sheffield.ac.uk | Home page and writings: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/ | _Mental Space_: http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/rmy.html | Process Press, _Free Associations_, _Science as Culture_: | http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/process.html 'One must imagine Sisyphus happy.' - Camus ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:01:56 +0000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Robert Maxwell Young Subject: Science-as-culture can do a ton We're over a hundred now. If you want to know who, email to: listserv@sjuvm.stjohns.edu Body of message: review sci-cult Please, could each of us say something about herself/himself and what is hoped from the list. Bob Young robert@rmy1.demon.co.uk 26 Freegrove Road, London N7 9RQ, England 'One must imagine Sisyphus happy.' - Camus ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 15:44:31 +0000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Robert Maxwell Young Subject: email forums of potential interest I am posting a list of forumsof potential interest to sci-cult subscribers. Will others please do the same. I am particularly interested in ones on cultural studies. please always supply address to write to in order to subscribe and the message for subscribing. Thanks, Bob Young EMAIL FORUMS OF POTENTIAL INTEREST TO SCIENCE-AS-CULTURE SUBBSCRIBERS Science and Technology Studies To: listproc@kasey.umkc.edu Body of message:subscribe sci-tech-studies YOUR NAME **************** History of Medicine To:mailserv@beach.utmb.edu Body of message: subscribe Cadeuceus-L **************** Comparative Science & Literature To: majordomo@coombs.anu.edu Body of message: subscribe Comparative-Sci-L Youremailaddress **************** History, Philosophy and Social Studies of Science To: listserv@Qucdn.queensu.ca Body of message: subscribe HPSST-L forstname lastname **************** History of Science (mostly UK) To: mailbase@mailbase.ac.uk Body of message: join mersenne your name ************** Philosophy of the Social/Human Sciences To:listserv@nosferatu.cas.usf.edu Body of message: subscribe COCTA-L Yourname ************** To discover the forums served by the listserve software in a given area of interest, send a message to: listserv@umdd.bitnet Body of message: lists global Then add the subject, e.g., politics, history, anorexia or whatever. Send a new message for each topic. e.g., lists global sex *************** The Clark/Morville CLearinghouse list of philosophy lists, and links to all the other lists of lists, philosophy sites and such like are at Liverpool University: http://www.liv.ac.uk/~srlclark/philos.html There are list for more philosophers than you could shake a stick at. *************** The "Philosopher's Internet Resource Kit," a fairly comprehensive listing of, well, what it says it lists: ftp://raz.mc.duke.edu/pub/pirk ************** SOCRATES SOCRATES is an email forum for persons interested in the theoretical and philosophical foundations of psychology. SOCRATES deals with such topics as categorization, consciousness, evolution, hermeneutics, language, mental representation, metapsychology, philosophy of mind, and philosophy of science. HOW TO SUBSCRIBE: Send an email message to: LISTSERVER@PMC.PSYCH.NWU.EDU. In the body of your message say: SUBSCRIBE SOCRATES Your_First_Name Your_Last_Name. **************** Hot List for Critical Approach to Cultural Studies http://polestar.facl.mcgill.ca/burnett/HotList.html **************** The Spoon Collective has forums on a number of philosophers & topics: avant-garde bataille baudrillard blanchot cybermind fiction-of-philosophy deleuze-guattari feyerabend film-theory foucault frankfurt-school french-feminism image habermas heidegger bakhtin-dialogism technology lyotard marxism nietzsche postcolonial ontology While most of the listnames are straightforward, some are not. Cybermind is concerned with the psychology and philosophy of cyberspace. Fiction-of-philosophy is a space for both theoretical and creative texts. Image is a list in which avant-garde art meets binary .wav and .gif files. Bakhtin-dialogism deals with Bakhtin's works as well as scholarship based on his ideas. To subscribe to a Spoons list such as bakhtin-dialogism, send an email message:> To: majordomo@jefferson.village.virginia.edu Body of message: subscribe bakhtin-dialogism yourusername@your.host.site or in simpler terms: subscribe listname your internet address To send a message to the list itself (do not send subscribe messages to the list address), send your message to: bakhtin-dialogism@jefferson.village.virginia.edu I also have a list of forums related to psychoanalysis, psychotherapy, psychiatry, radical psychology, mental health and related matters. Write to me privately. Robert M. Young robert@rmy1.demon.co.uk __________________________________________ | Robert Maxwell Young: robert@rmy1.demon.co.uk | 26 Freegrove Rd., London N7 9RQ England | tel. +44 171 607 8306 fax. +44 171 6094837 | Professor of Psychotherapy and Psychoanalytic Studies, | Centre for Psychotherapeutic Studies, | University of Sheffield: r.m.young@sheffield.ac.uk | Home page and writings: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/ | _Mental Space_: http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/rmy.html | Process Press, _Free Associations_, _Science as Culture_: | http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/process.html 'One must imagine Sisyphus happy.' - Camus ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 15:45:07 +0000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Robert Maxwell Young Subject: Death of Deluze and of Gellner Not a jolly day. Deluze died Saturday - now Gellner Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:06:51 GMT Reply-To: srlclark@liverpool.ac.uk Originator: philos-l@liverpool.ac.uk Sender: philos-l-request@liverpool.ac.uk Precedence: bulk From: Stephen Clark To: Members of the list Subject: Ernest Gellner is dead X-Comment: Philosophy in Europe MIME-Version: 1.0 > From: David Miller > > > I have just received this message from John Watkins. > > Sad news. Gaye rang just now to say that Ernest Gellner > died last night. It seems to have been very sudden; he had > seemed okay shortly before. Presumably a heart attack. > > __________________________________________ | Robert Maxwell Young: robert@rmy1.demon.co.uk | 26 Freegrove Rd., London N7 9RQ England | tel. +44 171 607 8306 fax. +44 171 6094837 | Professor of Psychotherapy and Psychoanalytic Studies, | Centre for Psychotherapeutic Studies, | University of Sheffield: r.m.young@sheffield.ac.uk | Home page and writings: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/ | _Mental Space_: http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/rmy.html | Process Press, _Free Associations_, _Science as Culture_: | http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/process.html 'One must imagine Sisyphus happy.' - Camus ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 16:08:27 +0000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Robert Maxwell Young Subject: Net sites, etc. on literature & science Here's a message I saved in the summer which is full of information about links between science and literature and related mattters. Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 19:36:30 -0400 Reply-To: "Society for Literature and Science - philos., tech., cyber discussion" Sender: "Society for Literature and Science - philos., tech., cyber discussion" From: Andrew Russ Subject: Science and Literature sites on the web summary. (second try) To: Multiple recipients of list LITSCI-L A couple months ago i solicited information on web sites pertaining to literature and science. I got a number of replies, which i checked out, and found a couple interesting sites, some boring ones, and some that were either interesting or boring but off the topic i had in mind. There was also an occasional site of interest to some in SLS, but not me (e.g. literature and medicine). I've collected these responses below, listing only the URLs and some comments either by me or by the person who sent the message originally. Links to the most interesting (to me) of these sites are on my own home page, which is at: http://www.phys.psu.edu/~endwar More on my site (it's mostly links and a few lists of references and a couple book reviews) is towards the end of this message. So here are the various sites i've found, in no significant order: http://mchip00.med.nyu.edu/lit-med/medhum.html This looks like it is useful if you're interested in literuature and medicine, which is not my specialty. http://coombs.anu.edu.au/SpecialProj/ASAP/WWWVL-HSTM.html This is a pretty major site in Australia. Definitely worth looking at as it's general in scope. http://www2.ncsu.edu/ncsu/chass/mds/psts.html This is the NC State site, which has about 100 links, about 80-90% of which are to science sites (e.g. American Physical Society, National Science Foundation, US Department of Education), but a few useful links. This URL has changed twice since it was sent to me! This one should work. Deanna Dunn wrote: >A few months ago an interesting (free) newletter previewed a couple of >samples on the SLS. It is called INTERNET-ON-A-DISK. You can join by >contacting samizdat@tiac.net and simply asking to be added to the list. It >focuses mostly on opening up access to the internet for small schools and >has more of a literature flavor. In the process, however, it gives a good >synopses of new & interesting addresses, some of which have electronic >books on line. And here's their URL: http://www.tiac.net/users/samizdat Basically a good source for books on line, more than anything. Not much on Science and Literature, or science studies, or that kind of thing. But good if you're looking for Last of the Mohicans or Moby Dick in a computer file, this is the place for you. From: Elliot McGucken >Hello, a great WWW site for both science and literature is the Beaconway >Press Home Page @, "http://sunsite.unc.edu/owl/home.html" >Also, a great monthly e-journal for cool literature is The Jolly Roger. >You can subscribe to it by sending the message, "subscribe drakeraft your >name," to listserv@unc.edu. Have fun! Mr. McGucken runs the Beaconway Press, at least in part. This site is basically for promoting a literary journal, so it is a bit off-topic. >I just found a new environmental web site with a large glossary and free >conects to the CFR's. Dial http://www.gate.net/solutions. This site collects information on environmental regulations, primarily. There's a search engine. This is basically pure science, as opposed to pure literature as above. From: "Mark A. Turian" >And, slightly off topic, have you checked out the Principia Cybernetica >pages? I think they would be a great model for organizing a new web site. >Let me hop over to my PPP accound and get you some URL's. >Here is Principia Cybernetica's URL: http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/Default.html Apparently this was at one time changed to http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/, but the next to last time i tried it, i didn't connect. The last time i tried it, the only option i had was downloading the homepage to my own directory, which rendered the links useless (they have relative filenames). I did get over there once before and it is a very informative site when it works as designed. This page would be of interest to those interested in cyperpunk of future related things. The Principia Cybernetica is a philosophy of/for the future (in their own description) You might try http://134.185.35.101/INTRO.html This seems to work for the Principia Cybernetica, but is slow. >For an individual's home page, check out: >http://groucho.gsfc.nasa.gov/joslyn/joslyn.html This person is on the Principia Cybernetica board (or something), and i got the updated URL from this site, but it still didn't work. http://www.webscope.com/project_mind/project_mind.html This site is dedicated towards the establishment of a higher creativity think-tank, rooted in the ideas of one T. Kun. Apparently a sort of new-age Kabbalistic philosophy or something. >Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 17:14:45 PDT >From: Bart Simon Subject: Re: SSSS list >"sci-tech-studies" >Sorry to add to the confusion, but the 4S (society for the social study of >science) list sci-tech-studies is now located in Kansas. >To subscribe send a message to listserv@kasey.umkc.edu and in the body of >the message type >subscribe sci-tech-studies firstname lastname >This list moved from UCSD in January >if you have any other questions about this list feel free to contact me. The tentative SLS conference program posted a few weeks ago by Jay A. Labinger is now available on the World-Wide Web under the following URL: http://www.humnet.ucla.edu/projects/sls/program.html >It's currently not listed from any of the other pages on our web server, >so you will need to type in, or copy-and-paste this URL, into your Web >browser's "Location:", "Open Location" or "Open URL" window. Needless to say, this is a relevant site for all SLS members. andrew russ In addition, my own web page is up at http://www.phys.psu.edu/~endwar The front page has some physics stuff at the top, then science studies in the middle, some art/literature/music towards the bottom, and leftover stuff at the very bottom. Actual links to other sites are generally in separate files, and the ones of most interest here would probably be under sociology of science (http://www.phys.psu.edu/~endwar/socsci.html). There's also some links in nonlinear science and information theory, and so on. Some of these links: http://snorri.chem.washington.edu/ysnarchive/index.html -- this is the current site for the Young Scientists Network. There are some case studies of nontraditional job paths taken by PhDs forced out of their field by the current tight job market. http://www.eff.org/ -- The Electronic Frontier Foundation -- devoted to privacy and civil rights issues in cyberspace. http://communication.ucsd.edu/pagre/rre.html -- access to archives of the Red Rock Eater mailing list operated by Philip Agre. It covers some of the same area as the Electronic Frontier Foundation. http://www.physics.umd.edu/rgroups/ripe/readlist.html -- a reading list on physics education maintained at the University of Maryland. http://phenom.physics.wisc.edu/~shalizi/hyper-weird -- Weird science? An attempt to replicate High Weirdness by Mail onthe web, but comes close to being a pretty useful selective index of topics. http://www.public.iastate.edu/~edis/skeptic_biblio.html -- a Skeptical guide to weird science on the web. http://www.liv.ac.uk/!larvar/intersci.html -- science and philosophy at Liverpool university. http://www.umkc.edu/ac/sci-stud/ -- science studies at University of Missouri at Kansas City http://www.ualberta.ca/~slis/guides/scitech/kmg.htm -- University of Alberta. One of these last two, i think the U of Alberta, had information as well as links. __________________________________________ | Robert Maxwell Young: robert@rmy1.demon.co.uk | 26 Freegrove Rd., London N7 9RQ England | tel. +44 171 607 8306 fax. +44 171 6094837 | Professor of Psychotherapy and Psychoanalytic Studies, | Centre for Psychotherapeutic Studies, | University of Sheffield: r.m.young@sheffield.ac.uk | Home page and writings: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/ | _Mental Space_: http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/rmy.html | Process Press, _Free Associations_, _Science as Culture_: | http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/process.html 'One must imagine Sisyphus happy.' - Camus ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 20:54:31 +0000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Robert Maxwell Young Subject: File: Our subscribers: 147 people, 24 countries OUR SUBSCRIBERS * Australia: andrea@ASAP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Andrea Barnes RIG@FS3.BALLARAT.EDU.AU Rob Greig dgoldman@LAUREL.OCS.MQ.EDU.AU David Goldman kcregan@SILAS.CC.MONASH.EDU.AU Kate Cregan pgmcgarr@SILAS.CC.MONASH.EDU.AU PG Mcgarrity robm@TIGER.VUT.EDU.AU Rob McCormack Stewart_Russell@UOW.EDU.AU Stewart Russell * Belgium: Koen.Hendrickx@PING.BE Koen Hendrickx * Canada: SFRIGON@ACADVM1.UOTTAWA.CA Jean-Sylvain Gauthier cgordon@CCS.CARLETON.CA Charles Gordon goughn@EDUC.QUEENSU.CA Noel Gough ctchir@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA Connie Tchir sungook@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA Sungook Hong abramsob@ERE.UMONTREAL.CA Bram Abramson susan@FREENET.NPIEC.ON.CA Susan Wheeler rdeltche@GPU.SRV.UALBERTA.CA Roumiana Deltcheva frohmann@JULIAN.UWO.CA Bernd Frohmann ES051352@ORION.YORKU.CA Karl-Michael Nigge cmassey@SDRI.UBC.CA Christine Massey mgurst@SPARC.UCCB.NS.CA Mike Gurstein apattana@TIKVA.CHEM.UTORONTO.CA Arjendu Pattanayak pmurray@UWINDSOR.CA Pat Murray lerner@WATSERV1.UWATERLOO.CA Sally Lerner * Finland: MARKO@FINUJO Marko K. 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My roots are in psychoanalytic - psychodynamic - object relations theories of human development. I have an unending curiosity about human behavior, brain function including trance states, social psychology, culture and ethnicity, mind-body-spirit connections, "reality" and alternative views on such... I also am curious about the natural world, the heavens, how things work and on and on. I often think I have little to contribute and feel embarrassed about that, so when I am asked to introduce myself, I become anxious. I think I am a learner and a teacher... and I suppose a lurker in internet terms... However, I am endlessly interested in what others are doing and what others have to say. I am grateful for this forum and hope for the best for us all. Best Regards, Cherie `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` Cherie Rawlins, MSW Post Office Box 939 email: cherie@mind.net Ashland, Oregon 97520 USA (514) 482-6545 `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 09:27:46 GMT+1000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Rob Greig Subject: Introduction Hi! I am Rob Greig and I am Head of Food Technology and Biotechnology at the University of Ballarat in Australia. I am a Food Scientist according to my initial training but, after 20 rather disappointing years as a scientist I changed "camps" and retrained in the Sociology of Science and Technology. My major research interests (apart form science which pays the mortgage) are in the influence of cultural and social conditions on the development of technological systems (with a special interest in the food industry) and the local nature of knowledge production. The list looked interesting and I am looking forward to discussions commencing. Regards Robert Greig School of Science University of Ballarat Ballarat, VIC 3353,Australia E-mail: rig@fs3.ballarat.edu.au ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 16:53:16 -0600 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Parzival Subject: Introduction Hello all-- My name is Greg Dyer, and I am a temporary instructor, teaching "Written Communication for Engineers" and Expository Writing I and II, at Kansas State University. I finished my MA here in May, and was fortunate enough to get a temporary position...hoping to enter a Ph.D program in the fall of '96. My MA is in creative writing and literature, and I've been very interested in hypertext for some time. Since starting to teach technical writing, my interest in science has been kind of reborn. I have no particular area of concern to put forth at this time, but I'm hoping to pick everyone's brain and maybe offer my own two cents when appropriate. I'm looking forward to further discussion. Greg +------ Greg Dyer ** gad@ksu.ksu.edu ** http://www.ksu.edu/~gad ------+ | | | "This is the time of tension between dying and birth | | The place of solitude where three dreams cross | | Between blue rocks" | | | +-------------------- T.S. Eliot ** "Ash-Wednesday ---------------------+ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 20:20:04 -0600 Reply-To: "Sheryl S. Gallaher" Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: "Sheryl S. Gallaher" Subject: Re: Introduction In-Reply-To: <199511070005.SAA27097@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> My name is Sheryl Gallaher. I am the director of the Office of Economic Education at Governors State University in Illinois. Our office trains teachers to teach economics to students in grades K-12; we serve especially the south suburbs of Chicago. I look forward to participating in the discussion of issues which are impacted by people's reaction to scarcity and their analyses of costs and benefits. In the long run, decisions regarding the allocation of scarce resources th regarding the allocation of scarce resources have determined many of the great movements in history. Today's concerns about health care, the environment, alcohool and drugs are often related to the supply of and demand for goods and services. The possibilities for discussion should be interesting. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:45:35 -0700 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Susan Crites/Caroline Hedge Subject: Re: email forums of potential interest >I am posting a list of forumsof potential interest to sci-cult subscribers. ¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬ I think this is great! If I am going to belong to a cult, this is the one for me! Susan >From Susan (the Neon Nurse) Crites and/or Caro Hedge, At The Sign of the Three White Cats aka House of Unruly Fish aka House of 1,000 Unfinished Projects. Accept No Substitutes! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:45:25 -0700 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Susan Crites/Caroline Hedge Subject: Re: Science-as-culture can do a ton >Please, could each of us say something about herself/himself and what is >hoped from the list. Hi! I will probably mostly lurk. I am a knowledge junkie, and this looked like a really interesting source! On the other hand, I may be able to cross reference something else from time to time, Serendipity willing. Or maybe just have a regular person sort of observation to make! Susan >From Susan (the Neon Nurse) Crites and/or Caro Hedge, At The Sign of the Three White Cats aka House of Unruly Fish aka House of 1,000 Unfinished Projects. Accept No Substitutes! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 20:19:12 -0700 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Susan Crites/Caroline Hedge Subject: Re: Introduction >My name is Greg Dyer, and I am a temporary instructor, teaching "Written >Communication for Engineers" and Expository Writing I and II, at Kansas >State University. And may the deities help you.... Susan >From Susan (the Neon Nurse) Crites and/or Caro Hedge, At The Sign of the Three White Cats aka House of Unruly Fish aka House of 1,000 Unfinished Projects. Accept No Substitutes! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 20:19:24 -0700 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Susan Crites/Caroline Hedge Subject: Re: File: Our subscribers: 147 people, 24 countries >* Country could not be determined for: >carosue@IGUANA.RURALNET.NET Susan Crites Add me to the USA...sorry about that! Susan >From Susan (the Neon Nurse) Crites and/or Caro Hedge, At The Sign of the Three White Cats aka House of Unruly Fish aka House of 1,000 Unfinished Projects. Accept No Substitutes! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 21:30:55 EST Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Paul Hamburg <71203.3312@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: introduction: as a new member of this forum, let me introduce myself: I'm a psychiatrist at the Massachusetts General Hospital/Harvard Medical School in Boston. My research interests are the applications of philosophy and modern cultural theory to the practice and teaching of psychotherapy. In my clinical practice I treat many patients with eating disorders, and have written and thought some about the intersection of personal and cultural history represented by the symptoms of anorexia and bulimia nervosa. In collaboration with a colleague, Dr. Ann Becker, who is an anthropologist & psychiatrist I am writing a series of papers regarding the concept of body image, including the role of the mass and scientific media in promoting and perpetuating ideals regarding body shape and its active transformation by exercising, dieting and other directed practices. I look forward to learning from the diverse membership of this forum. paul hamburg md e-mail: phamburg@A1.Mgh.Harvard.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 14:47:58 +0700 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Iljas Baker - SH Subject: Introduction ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 14:09:46 +0700 (GMT) From: Iljas Baker - SH Subject: Introduction Hello, I'm Ilyas Baker. I teach graduate students in the field of environmental social science.My professional interests are the social impact of technology,public participation in technological decisionmaking,public perceptions of risk, nuclear energy. I have degrees in sociology, social work, and urban and regional planning but feel I cannot honestly describe myself as a sociologist,social worker or planner. I guess I am a generalist--I know a little about a lot but not much about anything! I am a Muslim,definitely not fundamentalist, more Sufi oriented and believe that my attitude towards most things are informed by this belief system and the body of ethics which accompanies it.Life is a story told by "God", our own story telling is a vague reflection of this. Science and culture are stories we tell each other and act out. We need to do that but unfortunately some of our stories, e.g. some forms of psychanalysis, religious fundamentalism, evolutionism etc prevent us from hearing further stories, perhaps better ones. Sometimes we even think our story is the BIG one and so stop looking for the BIG one. I don't intend, you'll be glad to know, to repeat this stuff ad nauseum, but I thought I'd reveal my true colours at the start. Anyway I'll probably end up being King Lurker. I look forward to hearing your stories. One last thing, I'm also very interested in documenting the way that scientific or technological discoveries tend to precipitate the closure of potentially complementary(social or personal) ways of solving problems, eg if doctors can diagnose at a distance through telecommuncations systems will intuition still have a chance to participate; if electronic surveillance systems are put in the homes of the elderly who live alone--to make sure that they're fine--will we stop looking for companions/visitors for them? Regards, Ilyas ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 08:15:11 +0000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Robert Maxwell Young Subject: Re: eating disorders >as a new member of this forum, let me introduce myself: > >I'm a psychiatrist at the Massachusetts General Hospital/Harvard Medical School >in Boston. My research interests are the applications of philosophy and modern >cultural theory to the practice and teaching of psychotherapy. In my clinical >practice I treat many patients with eating disorders, and have written and >thought some about the intersection of personal and cultural history >represented >by the symptoms of anorexia and bulimia nervosa. In collaboration with a >colleague, Dr. Ann Becker, who is an anthropologist & psychiatrist I am writing >a series of papers regarding the concept of body image, including the role of >the mass and scientific media in promoting and perpetuating ideals regarding >body shape and its active transformation by exercising, dieting and other >directed practices. I look forward to learning from the diverse membership of >this forum. > >paul hamburg md >e-mail: phamburg@A1.Mgh.Harvard.edu Very interesting. Any papers available? My partner, Em Farrell, has written a new book on anorexia and bilimia. You might, in particular, be interested in her work on vomit as a transitional object, which is also the subject of a separate paper. Go to: http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/emf.html for more information. Please let me have a list of what you have written in this area and email any papers you can. Thanks, Bob Young Ps Do you come across Andrew P Morrison. If so, please give him my best regards. B __________________________________________ | Robert Maxwell Young: robert@rmy1.demon.co.uk | 26 Freegrove Rd., London N7 9RQ England | tel. +44 171 607 8306 fax. +44 171 6094837 | Professor of Psychotherapy and Psychoanalytic Studies, | Centre for Psychotherapeutic Studies, | University of Sheffield: r.m.young@sheffield.ac.uk | Home page and writings: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/ | _Mental Space_: http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/rmy.html | Process Press, _Free Associations_, _Science as Culture_: | http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/process.html 'One must imagine Sisyphus happy.' - Camus ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 17:22:01 +0900 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Andrew Barfield Subject: Introduction My name is Andy Barfield; teach English at Tsukuba University in Japan; doing research in second language teacher education; heading up a university curriculum development project; coordinating a growing body of teacher educators across Japan. Am interested in how teachers 'construct' learners, and how twentieth- century techno-culture dehumanizes people's relationships with each other; I'm wondering how to re-find 'soul' in education/learning/teaching, and what that means for how we both relate to each other, and how we construct/share/understand received wisdom and knowledge. Am concerned that our material progress and growth in GNP's are missing the basic point of living on this planet. And yet here I am on e-mail ... Andy Barfield andyman@sakura.cc.tsukuba.ac.jp ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 11:42:49 +0000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Robert Maxwell Young Subject: Quotation from Lukacs >From time to time, in the service of stimulating discussion, I hope people will post thoughts, quotations, puzzles. Here is an example, a passage which I have continued to ponder since I read it almost a quarter of a century ago. 'Nature is a societal category. That is to say, whatever is held to be natural at any given stage of social development, however this nature is related to man and whatever form his involvement with it takes, i.e., nature's form, its content, its range and its objectivity are all socially conditioned.' -Georg Lukacs, _History and Class Consciousness_ (1923) London: Merlin, 1971, p. 234. __________________________________________ | Robert Maxwell Young: robert@rmy1.demon.co.uk | 26 Freegrove Rd., London N7 9RQ England | tel. +44 171 607 8306 fax. +44 171 6094837 | Professor of Psychotherapy and Psychoanalytic Studies, | Centre for Psychotherapeutic Studies, | University of Sheffield: r.m.young@sheffield.ac.uk | Home page and writings: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/ | _Mental Space_: http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/rmy.html | Process Press, _Free Associations_, _Science as Culture_: | http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/process.html 'One must imagine Sisyphus happy.' - Camus ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 07:13:24 -0500 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: "Judith L. Poxon" Subject: Re: Introduction In-Reply-To: <199511062231.RAA07389@mailbox.syr.edu> Hello. I'm a PhD student in a religion department, writing a dissertation on the implications of Gilles Deleuze's philosophy for feminist theological thinking. I don't imagine I'll have a whole lot to say on this list, but my reading of Deleuze--and the increasing amount of time I spend on the net--has awakened an interest in the intersection of science, culture, and politics that I never would have imagined I'd feel a few years ago. In particular, I'm curious about complexity and chaos theory, and the implications that might have for my project, which has a lot to do with interrogating the binary categories of gender that we (mostly still) take so much for granted. Glad to find a list like this, and looking forward to being a part of it. Judith Poxon Syracuse University, Dept. of Religion jlpoxon@mailbox.syr.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 12:13:47 +0000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Martin Spaul Subject: Re: Science-as-culture can do a ton In response to the request to 'reveal' ourselves from Bob Young. I teach information systems at a predominantly teaching university, but I have a long-standing interest in critical theory and the philosophy of technology. My current interest is in trying to mould long-standing Frankfurt School arguments about 'technoscience' and the mass media so that they have something useful to say about the new communication technologies (I'm not arrogant enough to think that I can make much of a dent in this problem, but it interests me). I felt that this list would help me broaden the intellectual background which I brought to this project. Martin Spaul Anglia Polytechnic University, UK ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 06:50:55 -0800 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Cherie Rawlins Subject: Re: Quotation from Lukacs Bob quoted: >'Nature is a societal category. That is to say, whatever is held to be >natural at any given stage of social development, however this nature is >related to man and whatever form his involvement with it takes, i.e., >nature's form, its content, its range and its objectivity are all socially >conditioned.' > -Georg Lukacs, _History and Class Consciousness_ (1923) > And I observe: I've thought similarly about weeds... Who defines weeds? Seems to me that a plant is a "weed" only if we don't want it in our garden... Best, Cherie `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` Cherie Rawlins, MSW Post Office Box 939 email: cherie@mind.net Ashland, Oregon 97520 USA (541) 482-6545 `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 09:05:55 -0600 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: "Christopher A. Thorn" Subject: Intro Hi, I'm doing post-doc research looking at the spread cooperation in the = high-tech electronics sector. I'm pulling together some of the = organizational behavior research on the culture of high-tech firms and = looking for new forms of collective goods. It's a sort of political = economy-sociology of technology mushy squishy sort of topic. I work with = a group of Sociologists based at the University of Bielefeld, Germany. = I'm looking here for a bit of feedback and some new perspectives on my = research.=20 Cheers, Chris Christopher A. Thorn, Dr. Soc. (608)-262-5715 (Office)=20 University of Wisconsin-Madison (608)-265-3233 (Fax) La Follette Institute of Public Affairs 1225 Observatory Drive =20 Madison, WI 53706 cathorn@facstaff.wisc.edu (Email) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 07:35:23 -0800 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Cherie Rawlins Subject: Re: Introductions Bob and others: Is it possible to save and make available on a web site these intros? My experience on other groups is that latecomers never know information that we have all shared... also, sometimes I would like to connect with someone in a particular field or with particular interests long after I have forgotten the name of that person. Also we could update our intro and address from time to time when it seemed appropriate. What do others think? Best, Cherie `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` Cherie Rawlins, MSW Post Office Box 939 email: cherie@mind.net Ashland, Oregon 97520 USA (541) 482-6545 `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 10:48:01 -0400 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Robert Faux Subject: Re: Quotation from Lukacs Hello all, I was struck by the Lukacs quote and thought this would be a good time to comment on that and introduce myself. I am an ABD at the University of Pittsburgh in the Dep't. of Psychology in Education. My dissertation research will focus upon the use of problem-based learning in the acquisition of content knowledge, in this case engineering design. The theoretical base is primarily Bransford et al.s concept of anchored instruction. I am also a research associate in the Univ. of Pittsburgh Medical Center. The research project I am working on is a longitudinal study looking at teaming regular ed children with children who are physically challenged, primarily hearing impaired. The goal is to get the challenged kids "socialized" into the regular ed classroom and to be accepted by their peers. Having said all this, my primary interests lie in the history and philosophy of science and psychology. I hope to pursue these interests further once I have completed by dissertation. Concerning the quote, it reminds me a bit of Dewey and Vygotsky. Vygotsky argued that learning and development were social in nature. That learning occured through the discourse between a teacher and student, or between two peers, one of whom is more capable. The knowledge that is shared on what Vygotsky called the interpsychological plane is "internalized" and moves to the intrapsychological plane where it becomes a part of ones's cognitive repertoire. I'm looking forward to interesting discussions. Bob Faux Department of Psychology in Education University of Pittsburgh rbfst1@vms.cis.pitt.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 10:13:34 +0600 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: "Dr. Ovsei Gelman-Muravchik" Subject: Re: Quotation from Lukacs At 11:42 AM 7/11/95 +0000, Robert Maxwell Young wrote: > Sorry to tell this but I was not lucky to get the quatations. That is all that I got. I wonder if I am alone in the disgrace. Ovsei +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dr. Ovsei Gelman-Muravchik, Research Professor, Interdisciplinary Disaster Research +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Director, | Ed. 12, Instituto de Ingenieria, Programa Interinstitucional | Apdo.P. 70-472, Ciudad Universitaria de Prevencion de Riesgo | Mexico, DF, 04510, MEXICO y Monitoreo Industrial, | Phone: (525) 622-8132 till 37 Universidad Nacional | Fax: (525) 622-8091 Autonoma de Mexico | E-mail: ogm@pumas.iingen.unam.mx =========================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 16:23:51 +0000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Robert Maxwell Young Subject: Re: Quotation from Lukacs & Douglas >Bob quoted: >'Nature is a societal category. That is to say, whatever is >held to be >>natural at any given stage of social development, however this nature is >>related to man and whatever form his involvement with it takes, i.e., >>nature's form, its content, its range and its objectivity are all socially >>conditioned.' >> -Georg Lukacs, _History and Class Consciousness_ (1923) > > >And I observe: I've thought similarly about weeds... Who defines weeds? >Seems to me that a plant is a "weed" only if we don't want it in our >garden... Best, Cherie Mary Douglas, in _Purity and Danger_, points out that from the point of view of anthropological relativism, 'Dirt is matter out of place'. __________________________________________ | Robert Maxwell Young: robert@rmy1.demon.co.uk | 26 Freegrove Rd., London N7 9RQ England | tel. +44 171 607 8306 fax. +44 171 6094837 | Professor of Psychotherapy and Psychoanalytic Studies, | Centre for Psychotherapeutic Studies, | University of Sheffield: r.m.young@sheffield.ac.uk | Home page and writings: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/ | _Mental Space_: http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/rmy.html | Process Press, _Free Associations_, _Science as Culture_: | http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/process.html 'One must imagine Sisyphus happy.' - Camus ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 16:24:05 +0000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Robert Maxwell Young Subject: Re: Introductions >Bob and others: Is it possible to save and make available on a web site >these intros? My experience on other groups is that latecomers never know >information that we have all shared... also, sometimes I would like to >connect with someone in a particular field or with particular interests long >after I have forgotten the name of that person. Also we could update our >intro and address from time to time when it seemed appropriate. What do >others think? Best, Cherie >```````````````````````` The list is to be archived at St Johns. Bob Y __________________________________________ | Robert Maxwell Young: robert@rmy1.demon.co.uk | 26 Freegrove Rd., London N7 9RQ England | tel. +44 171 607 8306 fax. +44 171 6094837 | Professor of Psychotherapy and Psychoanalytic Studies, | Centre for Psychotherapeutic Studies, | University of Sheffield: r.m.young@sheffield.ac.uk | Home page and writings: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/ | _Mental Space_: http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/rmy.html | Process Press, _Free Associations_, _Science as Culture_: | http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/process.html 'One must imagine Sisyphus happy.' - Camus ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 22:46:38 -0600 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Matthew Weinstein Subject: Introduction Hi, I'm Matthew Weinstein. I'm director of secondary education at Macalester College in St. Paul (just finished the PhD) and a long time SaC subscriber. My dissertation, while just completed (hoorah!!!) under the aegis of the school of eductation, would be better described as the anthropology of sci/tech. I did ethnographic work at a hands-on science museum for tourists in a tourist-town called the Wisconsin Dells (picture New York state's Niagra Falls in the U.S. midwest). Themes I dealt with in my study included the relationship of the reproduction of scientific discourse in schools and museums to its production in labs and universities, the way that "science as culture" encourages certain forms of embodiment, gender and science (again a lot of "body" issues), and the way that the ubiquitous linking of wonder with science works as ideology. BTW Anyone going to DC for the Amer. Anthro. Assoc. conference? Tea? Coffee? Wine? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 11:52:37 EST Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Noel Gough Subject: Introducing myself I'm a professor in education, normally based in Australia, but currently on sabbatical in Canada. My teaching and research interests are in curriculum inquiry, educational research methodologies, and environmental education. My particular slant on these areas draws heavily on narrative theory, poststructuralist criticism, and popular media studies (especially science fiction and more recently detective fiction). Among other things I'm the Australian Editor of the _Journal of Curriculum Studies_, and an Executive Editor of the _Australian Educational Researcher_. Much of my recent writing has been concerned with issues of textuality and textual authority in educational research, including some efforts toward reconceptualizing environmental education research as a postmodernist textual practice. I subscribe to very few lists, even as a lurker, but I have found lit-sci (and much else that comes from the Society for Literature and Science) among the most generative resources in my work. For purposes associated with my work on sabbatical, I have an annotated list of my recent publications dealing with aspects of fiction in educational inquiry available that I could transfer by email to anyone who's interested. Some title that might be of interest to people on this list include: Gough, Noel (1993) Environmental education, narrative complexity and postmodern science/fiction. _International Journal of Science Education_ 15 (5): 607-625. Gough, Noel (1993) _Laboratories in Fiction: Science Education and Popular Media_ (Geelong: Deakin University Press). Gough, Noel (1994) Playing at catastrophe: ecopolitical education after poststructuralism. _Educational Theory_ 44 (2): 189-210. Gough, Noel (1995) Manifesting cyborgs in curriculum inquiry. _Melbourne Studies in Education_ 29 (1): 71-83. Noel Gough Contact details for 1 September-30 November 1995: Noel Gough MSTE Royal Bank Fellow Faculty of Education Queen's University Kingston Ontario K7L 3N6 Canada Internet: goughn@educ.queensu.ca (613) 542 6275 (home) (613) 545 6000 extn 7242 (office) (613) 545 6584 (fax) After 30 November 1995: Noel Gough Associate Professor Faculty of Education Deakin University 662 Blackburn Road Clayton Victoria 3168 Australia Internet: noelg@deakin.edu.au Telephone area code: 03 (International: +61 3) 9244 7368 (desk) 9244 7286 (messages) 9562 8808 (fax) 9836 8241 (home) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 22:54:08 -0600 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Matthew Weinstein Subject: Re: Quotation from Lukacs >And I observe: I've thought similarly about weeds... Who defines weeds? >Seems to me that a plant is a "weed" only if we don't want it in our >garden... Best, Cherie Yup, weeds are a sort of vegetable dirt! As M. Douglas writes (in one of my favorite passages): As we know it, dirt is essentially disorder. There is no such thing as absolute dirt: it exists in the eye of the beholder. If we shun dirt, it is not because of craven fear, still less dread or holyt terror. (Purity & Danger, p. 2) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 12:15:53 EWT Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Maia Saj Schmidt Subject: Re: Introduction I am a doctoral student in English and American Literature at Indiana University in Bloomington. I am writing a dissertation about illness narratives and contemporary culture. I hope to see a wide-ranging discussion of science, culture and society on this list. I am currently teaching a literature course about science technology and society and in the spring I will be teachinga course in the literature of medicine and ethics. Maia Saj Schmidt Ballantine Hall Indiana Uiversity MSAJ@Indiana.Edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 17:06:42 +0000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Robert Maxwell Young Subject: Re: SCIENCE-AS-CULTURE ARCHIVES Cherie Rawlins wrote: >Bob and others: Is it possible to save and make available on a web site >these intros? My experience on other groups is that latecomers never know >information that we have all shared... also, sometimes I would like to >connect with someone in a particular field or with particular interests long >after I have forgotten the name of that person. Also we could update our >intro and address from time to time when it seemed appropriate. What do >others think? Best, Cherie Answer: Access to archives has always been available via standard listserv commands. To get an overview and tutorial, send mail to listserv@sjuvm.stjohns.edu with the command: get list analysis __________________________________________ | Robert Maxwell Young: robert@rmy1.demon.co.uk | 26 Freegrove Rd., London N7 9RQ England | tel. +44 171 607 8306 fax. +44 171 6094837 | Professor of Psychotherapy and Psychoanalytic Studies, | Centre for Psychotherapeutic Studies, | University of Sheffield: r.m.young@sheffield.ac.uk | Home page and writings: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/ | _Mental Space_: http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/rmy.html | Process Press, _Free Associations_, _Science as Culture_: | http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/process.html 'One must imagine Sisyphus happy.' - Camus ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 12:26:10 -0500 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: "Jude L. Hollins" Subject: Re: Quotation from Lukacs In-Reply-To: <199511071648.LAA20706@mailbox.syr.edu> just a quick response. I _just_ joined this list. I am happy with the prospects. hence, i am instantly projecting my voice. As to the learning issue, see Durkheim, Piaget (of course) and some of the research put under the category of 'constructivism' and learning. Also, work within the Social Reproduction school of thought comes to mind. I just came from the Revival in Pragmatism conferrence at CUNY this weekend, and i found little discussion of education, when talking along such lines of philosophy of science and people such as Dewey. This frustrates me. About me: i am a doctoral student at syracuse university, studying sociology and philosophy of education. I am generally interested in the 'school choice' debates, yet, philosophy and sociology of science is central to my thinking. 'The politics of explanation' remain central to my studies and inquiry. Having been deeply moved by Bruno Latour's work, i wonder if anyone has some insights or intuitions as to how a general notion of 'the politics of explanation' can be extended into movements of social reform, legistration, and community action? The link between political philosophy and legal DISCOURSE is a vital seed for me, yet, my understanding of material out there is limited. Take care, jude hollins ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 13:09:08 -0500 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Lynda Bruce Subject: Re: Science-as-culture can do a ton Greetings to All: I have BA in philosophy (emphasis in epistemology) and am currently in graduate school toward a Ph.D. in psychology (clinical). In psychology it seems to me that epistemlogical issues are cast in the debate/discussion of qualititative vs. quantitative research. Currently, I have an internship in a mental health clinic serving Native Americans in Central California. My interests are in psychology, epistemology, theories of language and reference, cross-cultural /alternative epistemologies or "ways of knowing," feminist epistemologies, qualitative vs. quantitative debates, Continental philosophy----and how this all relates to clinical psychology. I am writing from Fresno. Ca. (USA) Look forward to discussions. I don't normally participate much, because of shyness but also because my studies frequently interfere with my consistent participation. Lynda Bruce ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 13:56:39 -0500 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Abramson Bram Dov Subject: Re: Science-as-culture can do a ton In-Reply-To: <199511061306.IAA08557@cyclone.ERE.UMontreal.CA> from "Robert Maxwell Young" at Nov 6, 95 01:01:56 pm > Please, could each of us say something about herself/himself and what is > hoped from the list. Hello all, I'm a graduate student in communications here at Universite de Montreal, and am especially interested in how science and technology 'interface' with the national form. I am slowly (!) moving towards a dissertation on space policy in Canada and Quebec (as two state apparatuses) in which I hope to interrogate the relations between governments, technology, and nationhood, by looking at how science and technology -- specifically, outer space -- is constituted as the object of "national needs" (and desires), and how technologies of outer space are called into service to help consolidate national spaces. This means looking at technology policy, and trying to argue that it *should* be looked at vis-a-vis cultural policy, inasmuch as technologies structure and are structured across a cultural field. Technology in the enterprise of national identities, then. I'm looking forward to discussion, and especially to hearing about areas of the literature that I haven't yet had a chance to move in to. Bruno Latour, for instance ... Bram Abramson (abramsob@ere.umontreal.ca) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:40:02 +0000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Robert Maxwell Young Subject: Lukacs quote From: Paul Hamburg <71203.3312@compuserve.com> To: Robert Maxwell Young Subject: Re: Quotation from Lukacs Message-ID: <951107141529_71203.3312_GHL99-1@CompuServe.COM> <<'Nature is a societal category. That is to say, whatever is held to be natural at any given stage of social development, however this nature is related to man and whatever form his involvement with it takes, i.e., nature's form, its content, its range and its objectivity are all socially conditioned.' -Georg Lukacs, _History and Class Consciousness_ (1923) London: Merlin, 1971, p. 234.>> What seems so remarkable about this quote is the time and context in which it was made. Looking at diverse territories of thought today in terms of social construction is such a contemporary fashion---it is sobering that a post-WWI Marxist could so readily deconstruct "nature" and the fable of the "natural." __________________________________________ | Robert Maxwell Young: robert@rmy1.demon.co.uk | 26 Freegrove Rd., London N7 9RQ England | tel. +44 171 607 8306 fax. +44 171 6094837 | Professor of Psychotherapy and Psychoanalytic Studies, | Centre for Psychotherapeutic Studies, | University of Sheffield: r.m.young@sheffield.ac.uk | Home page and writings: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/ | _Mental Space_: http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/rmy.html | Process Press, _Free Associations_, _Science as Culture_: | http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/process.html 'One must imagine Sisyphus happy.' - Camus ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 13:58:29 -0500 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: GINA CAMODECA Organization: University at Buffalo Subject: Re: eating disorders Hi, I've got a question, so I guess I'll introduce myself. I'm Gina Camodeca, ABD grad at SUNY@Buffalo. I'm writing a dissertation re: American 19th c. lit and medical discourse. I'm particularly interested in the way characterization of fictional characters remits, transfigures, and ultimately works to produce medical "truths" regarding symptoms and morally-predicated generatives of illness for women. I've begun the work, but I'm largely still in the hunter-gatherer stage. I've joined a gaggle of listserves looking for others w/ like interests and information; but I've discovered that one of my primary weaknesses is web-site illiteracy. I've spent days screwing around trying to pull things from addressed that begin something like hhtyz///;;: and after much frustration and "badly formed address" messages, I usually have forgotten what I wanted in the first place. Thus, could Bob (can I call you Bob?) give a bit more information about vomit as a transitional object? I would love the title and publisher of that new book! Thanks, Gina ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:40:44 +0000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Robert Maxwell Young Subject: Re: Introducing myself Noel Gough, Could you share with us some key references on narrative theory and paerhaps one or two summing up recent debates in the field? I, for one, would be grateful. Bob Young __________________________________________ | Robert Maxwell Young: robert@rmy1.demon.co.uk | 26 Freegrove Rd., London N7 9RQ England | tel. +44 171 607 8306 fax. +44 171 6094837 | Professor of Psychotherapy and Psychoanalytic Studies, | Centre for Psychotherapeutic Studies, | University of Sheffield: r.m.young@sheffield.ac.uk | Home page and writings: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/ | _Mental Space_: http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/rmy.html | Process Press, _Free Associations_, _Science as Culture_: | http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/process.html 'One must imagine Sisyphus happy.' - Camus ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 14:07:45 -0500 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Lori Wagner Subject: Re: Introduction reply In-Reply-To: <199511071816.NAA33072@ccat.sas.upenn.edu> from "Maia Saj Schmidt" at Nov 7, 95 12:15:53 pm Hi, I got your message through the sci-culture group. I am looking for panelists for a proposed session on disease and lit. for a science and lit. conference. If you are interested, please contact me at lwagner@ccat.sas.upenn.edu. Thanks. Lori W ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 19:20:47 +0000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Robert Maxwell Young Subject: Science-as-Culture Archive s and Digest You might want to save this. If anyone is ever interested in reading messages that have been previously posted, this can be easily done. Just send a message to listserv@sjuvm.stjohns.edu with the command index sci-cult This will return a file showing what files are stored on the list. These will include the welcome message and the header messages, but more importantly, the logged messages that have been posted. They will be listed by date and will have a name "logxxx". To get one, simply send another message to the same address with the command get sci-cult logxxx. with the logxxx being the name of the log file. This will be a list of those postings that were made during that time. You can also set you account so that you _only_ receive digests rather than individual messages. These are daily files that contain all of the messages posted. To do this, send a message to listserv@sjuvm.stjohns.edu with the command set sci-cult dig Thats all you need to do. If you have additional questions, please feel free to contact me directly. Best wishes, Bob Young __________________________________________ | Robert Maxwell Young: robert@rmy1.demon.co.uk | 26 Freegrove Rd., London N7 9RQ England | tel. +44 171 607 8306 fax. +44 171 6094837 | Professor of Psychotherapy and Psychoanalytic Studies, | Centre for Psychotherapeutic Studies, | University of Sheffield: r.m.young@sheffield.ac.uk | Home page and writings: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/ | _Mental Space_: http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/rmy.html | Process Press, _Free Associations_, _Science as Culture_: | http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/process.html 'One must imagine Sisyphus happy.' - Camus ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 14:15:29 -0500 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: James L Morrison Subject: On the Horizon I enjoy reading the introductions to this list as well as the messages. I edit a newsletter, moderate a list, and manage a web site, all focusing on the future of education. I want to take advantage of the talent on this list by asking participants to consider writing for educational leaders through our publications. Below is our call for manuscripts describing our activities: * * * CALL FOR MANUSCRIPTS * * * On the Horizon provides educational leaders with an interactive platform for discussing emerging trends and potential developments in the social, technological, economic, environmental, and political (STEEP) sectors and their implications for education. The interactive platform is via a print publication and an Internet list called Horizon List where past and potential STEEP articles from the newsletter are posted to focus discussion. Some of the resulting list discussion is also published in On the Horizon, thereby allowing the list and the print publication to supplement and reinforce each other. In addition, we have a World Wide Web (WWW) site, Horizon Home Page, where Internet users have easy access to past issues of On the Horizon, a futures planning database, and text discussion strings from Horizon List, many of which respond to articles published in On the Horizon. On the Horizon articles take two forms: abstracts of one or more articles/books/Internet postings that have implications for education or essays on emerging trends or developments that may affect the future of education. A unique feature of abstracts or essays in On the Horizon is that authors speculate on the specific implications of these "signals of change" in the macroenvironment (the STEEP sectors) for educational leaders. Abstracts and essays are brief (800 to 1,000 words); our readers are busy leaders who want to get to the bottom line quickly. If you have not seen the newsletter, write for a review copy or browse our WWW pages at the URL address: http://sunsite.unc.edu/horizon. We currently have the preview issue and Volumes I through III posted. Please send your abstracts or essays to me via U.S. mail or e-mail. If your article is accepted for publication, we will also need a two or three sentence summary of the article, your picture and a biographical sketch (up to two pages) for insertion on our Web site in the section announcing the issue in which your article will appear. (We do not have sufficient space to provide biographical information in the newsletter, but we do make this information available to readers via Horizon Home Page beginning with Vol IV, No 1.) -- James L. Morrison Morrison@unc.edu Editor, On the Horizon 919 962-2517 (office) Professor of Educational Leadership 919 962-1533 (fax) CB 3500 Peabody Hall UNC-CH Chapel Hill, NC 27599 Horizon Home Page http://sunsite.unc.edu/horizon ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 11:39:24 -0800 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Francis Harvey Subject: Introducing myself In-Reply-To: <9511071918.AA11448@mx5.u.washington.edu> Hi, My name is Francis Harvey, currently a PhD. geography student at the University of Washington. I find this collection of statements from list subscribers more than interesting. It really gives me a feeling who is involved, and seems to be "community" building. I'll just add a little bit to the mini-bio I just wrote for our department's WWW site attached below. Since I'm primarily a geographer, most of the text deals with my 'geographical' development, but geography is very encompassing, so there are many other facets. First, though I would add that I've always been fascinated by technology, but after some very meaningful cross-cultural experiences, which made me very critical (and for a while I rejected the growing influence of technology), and I became aware of the importance of culture in mediating our science and technology. I might even go so far to say our basic understanding. I've been reading Science as Culture since I first discovered it and was always hoping to have a chance to discuss these affairs with similarly interested people. From earlier postings it is clear this is a very diverse group and I am keen for discussions on a variety of topics. Francis Harvey (More info about me and my research is at http://weber.u.washington.edu/~fharvey/fhmain.html. Please note these WWW pages are permantly under construction, so things may change without notice.) A small biographical sketch (taken from my WWW pages): Through June 1996, I'm a geography graduate student at the University of Washington, spending most of my time stirring the dissertation brew and working on a low-level radioactive waste project. I'm looking forward to finishing and finding a university teaching and research job to move on to. Seattle has been home only for three years, and it isn't the first or last place where I've lived for several years. Before Seattle, home was in Germany and Switzerland for 10 years. I'm still strongly connected to these places, and through the other side of the family have many contacts to Eastern Europe too. My attachment to people and places in Europe and North America makes me acutely geographicly conscious. I travel enough this way that I don't need to do much tourism. I prefer the longer stay in a place I can relate to, surreptitiously extending my own geographical and social knowledge. Growing up in Chicago I was astonished to discover the white spaces in my developing mental map of the city were actually black. Racial differences segregated a free and open space I had been otherwise taught about. Maybe it was this contradiction that led to my spatial awareness. In any case, I was keenly interested in social studies and geography as far back as I can remember. Later in Europe, I discovered other ways to approach the division of earth into distinct geographies. They are fundamental parts of every culture. My interest was thereafter always in understanding the cultural influence of geographic understanding. In my academic work, the focus revolves less around understanding differences in how we utilize or understand space, and even less around overcoming discrepancies. Mostly I am interested in the use of technologies that extend, enhance, and simultaneously delimit our understanding. It's a sort of double hermeneutic of geography. In a sense, we produce space through technologies such as maps and geographic information systems (GIS). These in turn influence our understanding of space, that impacts our developement of technologies. . . It's a never ending circle, that is commonly approached through theory. Theory alone may be fascinating, but only rarely does it provide the necessary insight for real issues we face. At present in the dissertation I am looking at this connection in terms of a frequently reoccurring theme in geography: integration. Looking at from the cultural perspective, there are several elements and developments that stand out. When we identify them, we can more readily include culture as the essential part of society, that so frequently is but tacitly acknowledged. Culture has a meaning beyond here and now, it is part of our history that stretches back thousands of years. I do not pretend to examine this all, but I have been able to show how systems thinking is a fundamental part of geography. Approaching integration as a system, we have different approaches and results then Alexander von Humboldt, Carl Ritter, and others. Although I will finish my dissertation in the near future, many issues remain open. My interest in understanding these issues, teaching about them and presenting them, means I still have much to do. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 15:25:25 EST Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Noel Gough Subject: Narrative theory Bob Young writes: >Noel Gough, >Could you share with us some key references on narrative theory and >paerhaps one or two summing up recent debates in the field? I, for one, >would be grateful. Bob Young Here goes. For a thorough overview up to the late 1980s it is hard to go past: Coste, Didier (1989) _Narrative as Communication_ (Minneapolis: University of Minnesota Press). However, that's about as far as I got into "pure" narrative theory -- following Spinoza's orientation to definitions, I want to know how narratives work, and what they do, but not what they are. Thus, I tend to work with literature that uses narrative theory in areas allied to my own research and teaching interests. So in relation to education I'd recommend: Lemke, Jay L. (1995) _Textual Politics: Discourse and Social Dynamics_ (London: Taylor & Francis). Because of my interests in the ways in which the discourses of science wield narrative authority in wider cultures, two really useful texts (in addition to everything that Donna Haraway and Kate Hayles have ever written!) have been: Levine, George (ed.) (1993) _Realism and Representation: Essays on the Problem of Realism in Relation to Science, Literature and Culture_ (Madison WI: University of Wisconsin Press). Ormiston, Gayle L. and Sassower, Raphael (1989) _Narrative Experiments: The Discursive Authority of Science and Technology_ (Minneapolis: University of Minnesota Press). Another very useful collection that sums up recent debates about narrative in the context of one particular narrative genre (viz., autobiography) is: Ashley, Kathleen, Gilmore, Leigh and Peters, Gerald (eds) (1994) _Autobiography and Postmodernism_ (Amherst MA: The University of Massachusetts Press). I could go on, but that might suffice for starters... Noel Gough Contact details for 1 September-30 November 1995: Noel Gough MSTE Royal Bank Fellow Faculty of Education Queen's University Kingston Ontario K7L 3N6 Canada Internet: goughn@educ.queensu.ca (613) 542 6275 (home) (613) 545 6000 extn 7242 (office) (613) 545 6584 (fax) After 30 November 1995: Noel Gough Associate Professor Faculty of Education Deakin University 662 Blackburn Road Clayton Victoria 3168 Australia Internet: noelg@deakin.edu.au Telephone area code: 03 (International: +61 3) 9244 7368 (desk) 9244 7286 (messages) 9562 8808 (fax) 9836 8241 (home) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 15:42:58 -0500 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: sundeep muppidi Subject: Re: Introduction In-Reply-To: <199511071723.MAA07441@falcon.bgsu.edu> Hi, I am Sundeep Muppidi. At present I am enrolled in the doctoral program in Mass Communication in Bowling Green State University. I am from India and have had experience in teaching development and mass communication theory and video production. At present I am working in the political economy of telecommunications. I did start out intending to do quantitative research but am now shifting to qualitative research (especially constructivist methodology). I am also interested in cultural studies, post-coloniality and basic communication theory. That's my introduction. Any questions welcome! Sundeep .............................................................................. Email: smuppid@bgnet.bgsu.edu ..::''''::.. Voice: 1-419-353-4504 .:::. .;'' ``;. .... 1-419-372-0202 (FAX) ::::: :: :: :: :: ,;' .;: () ..: `:::' :: :: :: :: ::. ..:,:;.,:;. . :: .::::. `:' :: .:' :: :: `:. :: '''::, :: :: :: `:: :: ;: .:: : :: : : :: ,:'; ::; :: :: :: :: :: ::,::''. . :: `:. .:' :: `:,,,,;;' ,;; ,;;, ;;, ,;;, ,;;, `:,,,,:' :;: `;..``::::''..;' ``::,,,,::'' .............................................................................. Sundeep R. Muppidi 104, West Hall School of Mass Communication, Bowling Green State University, Bowling Green, Ohio. USA - 43403. .............................................................................. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 15:49:20 +0001 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Sarah W Salter Subject: Re: Introductions In-Reply-To: <199511072030.AA04011@world.std.com> Hello to the community. I teach law - computer law, tax, intellectual property, international trade - from the general viewpoint of the critical legal studies movement. The responses of law to technology changes is one of my teaching interests, especially where difficulties reveal underlying cultural/linguistic patterns that diverge. Sarah Salter New England School of Law 154 Stuart Street Boston, MA 02116 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 19:36:33 +0000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Robert Maxwell Young Subject: Conference on Psychoanalysis and the Public Sphere 18-19 Nov. This conference is occurring next week. Bob Y PSYCHOANALYSIS AND THE PUBLIC SPHERE 9TH ANNUAL CONFERENCE 'RECOVERING A FUTURE' Sponsored by Free Associations journal Department of Applied Psycho-Social Studies, University of East London The Human Nature Trust Saturday & Sunday, 18-19 November 1995 University of East London Conference Centre Duncan House, High Street, Stratford, London E15 The keynote speakers this year will be Gordon Lawrence Director, Imago East-West, author of To Surprise the Soul: Psychoanalytic Explorations of Groups, Institutions and Society in the Bion-Tavistock Tradition 'Tragedy: Private Trouble or Public Issue?' Anthony Elliott University of Melbourne, author of Social Theory and Psychoanalysis in Transition: and Psychoanalytic Theory: An Introduction 'Psychoanalysis and Postmodernism: Containing the Future' This conference is established as the major forum in Britain for exploring the inter-relationships between psychoanalytic theory, politics, culture, social identity and psychotherapeutic practice. As in previous years, the intention is that the conference should provide the opportunity for creative exchange among psychoanalytically-oriented practitioners and theorists and others active in thinking, writing and working in the public sphere. The conference is regularly attended by people from all sorts of disciplines in the helping professions. The 7th and 8th conferences dealt, respectively, with the themes 'Losing and Finding Values' and 'Thinking Under Fire'. These themes acted as umbrellas for papers and discussions which responded to crises in thinking, practice and politics, attacks on values and attempts to think, create and work in a hostile or reactionary climate. This year, the theme of the conference will be 'Recovering a =46uture'. In many spheres attempts can be detected to rethink, to redefine and construct new models. New forms of protest, resistance and imagination are emerging with the surfacing of new preoccupations in science, technology, morality, politics, art, helping professions and social theory. There is also a tension, however. Can the touchstones of theory and traditions of thought and ethics which in the past guided and inspired such hope in radical enquiry, some psychoanalytic thinking and social action now guide our understanding of these attempts to envisage the new? What is the relationship between tradition and these new imaginings and discourses? Can continuity be sustained as we look forward or are we to vacillate between fin-de-si=E8cle nostalgia and romantic or naively iconoclastic attachment to the new? Speakers in parallel sessions: Pru Chamberlaine, 'Cultures of Care: East Germany and Britain' Denis Brown, 'Glyn Maxwell: Aestheticising Place-Myth' Andrew Cooper, 'Desire and the Law: Child Abuse, Social Anxiety and the Symbolic Order' Adam Curle, 'Peace' Angela Foster, Naomi Landau, Viv Igel, 'The Management of Community Health Teams: Integration or Fragmentation' Dick Blackwell, 'Living Our Own Exile- Towards a Decoloniisation of the Inner World' Sue Reid, 'From Despair to Hope: The Journey of an Autistic Girl' Elish Davar, 'Containment, Surviving and Living' Julian Lousada, 'Anti-Racism: The Adoption of an Idea' Sandra Lovell. 'The Loss and Recovery of the Superego' Deborah Marks, 'Disability and Disavowal' Rosalind Minsky, '"Women Have Got It Made": Womb Envy and Cultural Cha= nge' Caroline New, 'Kleinian Theory and the Environmental Threat' Helen Morgan and Nick Benefield, 'Bare Earth, Blue Sky: Risking Innovation in Mental Health' Martin Ryle, 'Literary Subjects' Les Levidow, 'Agricultural Biotechnology: Splitting and Simulating Mother Nature' Andrew Samuels, 'Psychotherapists and Counsellors for Social Responsibili= ty' Amal Treacher, 'Childrens' Myths of Origins and Destiny' Robert M. Young, 'Psychoanalysis and/of the Internet' A paper by Michael Rustin and Andrew Cooper, reflecting on the history and future of the conference and related activities, will be pre-circulated to all who register in advance. Other speakers will include Karl Figlio, Michael Rustin, Tara Weeramanthri, Gerald Wooster, Ivan Ward, Margaret Rustin (titles to be confirmed) Prices: L75 (British pounds)for two days L45 for one day & concessions Write to: Psychoanalysis and the Public Sphere Conference Dept. of Applied Psycho-Social Studies University of East London Longbridge Rd. Dagenham Essex RM8 2AS England Tel. +0181 590 7722 ext. 2767/2785 email amal@uel.ac.uk __________________________________________ | Robert Maxwell Young: robert@rmy1.demon.co.uk | 26 Freegrove Rd., London N7 9RQ England | tel. 44 171 607 8306 fax. 44 171 6094837 | Professor of Psychotherapy and Psychoanalytic Studies, | Centre for Psychotherapeutic Studies, | University of Sheffield: r.m.young@sheffield.ac.uk | Home page and writings: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/ | Process Press, _Free Associations_, _Science as Culture_: | http://www.shef.ac.uk/uni/projects/gpp/process.html | 'One must imagine Sisyphus happy.' - Camus __________________________________________ | Robert Maxwell Young: robert@rmy1.demon.co.uk | 26 Freegrove Rd., London N7 9RQ England | tel. +44 171 607 8306 fax. +44 171 6094837 | Professor of Psychotherapy and Psychoanalytic Studies, | Centre for Psychotherapeutic Studies, | University of Sheffield: r.m.young@sheffield.ac.uk | Home page and writings: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/ | _Mental Space_: http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/rmy.html | Process Press, _Free Associations_, _Science as Culture_: | http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/process.html 'One must imagine Sisyphus happy.' - Camus ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 22:31:38 +0100 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Ulrich Brinkmann Organization: Freie Universitaet Berlin Subject: Introduction (Another one) Hello, my name is Ulrich Brinkmann. Call me Uli. It is interesting to be summoned to introduce oneself so insistently. Since there's only two members in Germany (both of them on the same machine but I don't know the other) I feel the urge of representativity to leave my habitual lurker's shell to tell you "who I am". I am doing a dissertation in American Studies on, let's put it broadly, Literature and Tourism. My M.A. topic was on tourism, too. I created a narrative of how insufficient the old liberal criticism of mass tourism as superficial was in terms of cultural analysis and promoted a semiotic approach, following critically Dean MacCannell. I am planning to relate literature and tourism on this basis. I'll try to find out how and if literature (alas, I've chosen Henry James to represent that one) or fiction, as I rather view it, can serve as a paradigm for explanations of tourism. Tourism, that is, depends on narratives that instill the urge to verify oneself in the presence of the tourist attraction. Somehow literature is a paradigmatic, but not the only complement in this touristic system. I'll have a lot of difficulties to overcome to make that a sound argument. Right now I'll try to get beyond the cultural models that have so far dominated the approaches on the subject. Those are the Bourdieu model of the sociology of taste, and of the post-colonialist mode. What I mean by "beyond" is a close analysis of the status of ((literary, touristic) fictional) texts, and taking this as a basis for a reconstruction of the cultural fields. Theoretical concepts that will be crucial in the construction of the cultural field (context, matrix, whatever) are Castoriadis's Society as Imaginary Institution, some reader-oriented theory by Iser et al,, mingled with semiotics (I'll have to find out what color I prefer of that). That's gonna be a nice cocktail. I'm sorry if this was too specific. I have serious difficulties in globalizing my concerns. After all, that is a translation in which I sometimes feel the important thing gets lost. Apart from that I am interested in the medium I writing this in. That is, the computer, networking, and related distributed concepts. The computer made me get into programming (I am taking a perl course right now). I'd rather talk about computing as a practitioner. Because what you are doing when you are programming is very tangible. It is more tangible than a lot of theory about it. I would theorize programming as a hybrid form of authorship where you actually do overcome some limitations in authoring traditional fictions, while on the other hand you pay the price of restricting yourself semantically to a closed universe (of the bits and bytes). You will have to restrict yourself to the role of the medium in providing a tangible experience to the --- user (no more reader). The user does what the programmer allows for, but he has a choice. And the programmer preconceives what the user wants to do, he constructs a world in which the program makes sense and has a function and is a success. There must be a point where all this collapses into fiction... All this proves, to return to the context of this mail, that literature and the computer are another pair of mutually informing cultural practices which I am interested in. Maybe I'll introduce my other selves another time. That's it for the introduction. I'm looking forward to an interesting lurker's feast of inspirations. I was really amazed at the amount of mail this list generated in the first hours of its existence. I hope the momentum is steady, selfish as I am. I am very bad at keeping up communication. (This is another interesting phenomenon, you hear me thinking, the vanishing of threads and entire lists in the big nowhere, rather, silence). Regards Uli ------ Ulrich Brinkmann on and off the net at random Freie Universitaet Berlin fone +49-30-615 76 78 visit my homepage! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 16:45:16 -0500 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: "Jude L. Hollins" Subject: Bruno Latour In-Reply-To: <199511071924.OAA12841@mailbox.syr.edu> two particular works which center my mind in times of utter despair: _Science in Action_ Harvard (1987) _We Have Never Been Modern_ Harvard (1993) "Even at the worst moments of the Western imperium, it was never a matter of clearly separating the Laws of Nature from social conventions once and for all. It was always a matter of constructing collectives by mixing a certain type of nonhumans and a certain type of humans, and extracting in the process Boyle-style objects and Hobbes-style subjects (not to mention the crossed-out God) on an ever-increasing scale" - We Have Never Been Modern; page 132 :) rings like the earlier quote from Lukacs in my mind. His basic argument is that we have been thinking and talking along the lines set by Modernity, while developing complex hybrid nature-social-etc empires. Likewise, he places modes of discourse and explanation within such contexts. I could go on for ever, yet, i really do suggestthese two works. I am extremely curious about reactions to ideas. Someone want to talk about positivism? seems comman definitions and understanding would be very useful... when i hear the word 'technology' (or 'culture', in the original of the coining of this expression) i reach for my gun, and i think of the term signifying a wide range of relations and objects. From the technical aspects of this language to this complex information system made of computers and fibers, i mark all as technology. "That a delicate shuttle should have woven together the heavens, industry, texts, souls and moral law- this remains uncanny, unthinkable, unseemly." Ibid, p 5 yeah, this basis for having professional educators remains at the heart of my despair. Being an 'educator,' no less professional, strikes me as a very critical station in the complex world we inhabit, etc. It seems that any profession carries a moral contractual wieght which is sinking among the political incommensurabilities of modern life. ok, i stop. jude ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 21:57:55 +0000 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture Sender: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture From: Robert Maxwell Young Subject: Growth of list We have just crossed the 200 mark in subscribers - in four days from a standing start. Nice. Bob Young __________________________________________ | Robert Maxwell Young: robert@rmy1.demon.co.uk | 26 Freegrove Rd., London N7 9RQ England | tel. +44 171 607 8306 fax. +44 171 6094837 | Professor of Psychotherapy and Psychoanalytic Studies, | Centre for Psychotherapeutic Studies, | University of Sheffield: r.m.young@sheffield.ac.uk | Home page and writings: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~psysc/ | _Mental Space_: http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/rmy.html | Process Press, _Free Associations_, _Science as Culture_: | http://rdz.stjohns.edu/gp/process.html 'One must imagine Sisyphus happy.' - Camus ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 14:04:03 -0800 Reply-To: Sci-Cult Science-as-Culture